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Originally Posted by Lawson The fillibuster was by the Democrats. It was broken by Republicans. A larger percentage of Republicans voted for the Bill than Democrats. I did not say that some Democrats did not support it, but Democrats were the ones fillibustering it. | Which is dishonest. It's more honest to state "Southern Democrats were the ones fillibustering it.", including Strom Thurmond.
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Originally Posted by Lawson Not if you understand the history and meaning of each movement.
Today's Conservative is the direct descendant of Classic Liberalism from John Locke.
Today's Liberal is descended from the Fascists and National Socialist movements of the 1930s. | Thank you for making it clear just how meaningless it all is.
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Originally Posted by Lawson Conservatives are for equal rights for gays. | Some are, as are most liberals. Religious conservatives aren't.
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Bush certainly isn't.
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Originally Posted by Lawson The fillibuster was by the Democrats. It was broken by Republicans. A larger percentage of Republicans voted for the Bill than Democrats. I did not say that some Democrats did not support it, but Democrats were the ones fillibustering it. | it was broken semi-reluctantly by Republicans, who were worried about states' rights. They needed persuasion. It was not simply 'some' Democrats who supported it, but a large majority of them.
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Originally Posted by Arty it was broken semi-reluctantly by Republicans, who were worried about states' rights. They needed persuasion. It was not simply 'some' Democrats who supported it, but a large majority of them. |
Semi-reluctantly, by voting overwelmingly?
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV Which is dishonest. It's more honest to state "Southern Democrats were the ones fillibustering it.", including Strom Thurmond. |
Key word "Democrats".
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Originally Posted by Arty Some are, as are most liberals. Religious conservatives aren't. |
No, liberals are for special rights. Gays have the right to marry, jsut like everybody else.
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Originally Posted by Lawson Key word "Democrats". | Key word "Southern".
Would you say Strom Thurmond was a typical Democrat?
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV Key word "Southern".
Would you say Strom Thurmond was a typical Democrat? |
No, as he turned away from racism, and became a Republican.
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Originally Posted by Lawson No, liberals are for special rights. Gays have the right to marry, jsut like everybody else. | Straw man: http://darkforum.com/showthread.php?t=41152
That's equal rights.
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV |
Marriage isn't a right.
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Originally Posted by Lawson No, liberals are for special rights. Gays have the right to marry, jsut like everybody else. | If marriage isn't a right, how are 'liberals for special rights'?
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV If marriage isn't a right, how are 'liberals for special rights'? |
They are trying to create a special right to marriage that doesn't exist.
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If marriage isn't a right, then we should do away with marriage as a government institution, imo.
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV If marriage isn't a right, then we should do away with marriage as a government institution, imo. |
It's not a government institution. It predates government.
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Then why is the government in control of who can marry and who can't?
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Rofl. It's just like discussing the Iraq War. Around and around, in circles we go.
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Originally Posted by Lawson Semi-reluctantly, by voting overwelmingly? | By having to be persuaded that it was the right thing to do. It was Republicans who were wavering, eventually | |
