you do realize privately owned cafes are highly capitolist right? i mean how many cafes did you see in Communist Russia?

wait where are you from again? Scandinavia? oh yeah i forgot that existed.... I guess its easy to talk shit when youre homeland has never even really contributed anything to history, started any kind of major civilization, or even made a mark on global action.

Yeah, but notice that its those such areas who have had importance and such who are now fucking ourselves with big business (and I don't mean all busines, I mean such things as tobacco, fast food, and etc.), pollution, and the like.

Who the fuck cares what his nation has done? In many ways, they're on to somethings that we should be.

Billy just becuase my country doesn't happen to throw its cosmic weight around like america doesn't mean we dont do a hell of a lot for the world.

Most of the scientists who develop clean technology come from finland, sweden and Japan... interesting that isn't?

Oh and the engine for the hydrogen car was developed my Kia Haaraglan Ph.D a half finn half japanese scientist educated in finland, face it when the world has to go green you shall be using the technology we invented.

If the world followed our example it would be clean and efficent not watseful and unproductive like some other larger nations.

it would also be ruled by tyranical nut houses welching away half of our income to give needles to junkies and buy nice big houses on the beaches of the carribean, whats your point about Finland sweden and Japan making the most clean technology? big fucking whoop, what does Japan have to do with Finland? Japan also gets most of its resrouces from the US, not to mention the fact that the US built Japan after WW2 into what it is, well planted the seeds to what it is anyways.

the fact is, that you always idiotically cast stones at the americans and american government for whatever reasons when youre clearly MISINFORMED, while being from a secluded desolate ice-hole filled to the brink with like minded cloned homogenious dolts who let the government suck away thier lives, if you ask me you need to look at your own country and not ours anf fix YOUR problems and not ours.. oh wait your country doesnt have any cosmic weight, it really doesnt contribute on a global scale, and is reletively unheard of... Finland? does it even have a history worth mentioning? please if youre going to cast stones at the US, at least come from a country that matters.

finland is racially and pretty much economically homogenous, what works for them wont work for us, or anyone else. Its not like the US hasnt heard of cleaner fuel sources, but until we take another beating over the oil and until; the public outcry is strong enough to move politicians oil it will be.

The americans like us english have this odd view that they aren't answereable to the rest of the world even though the rest of the world is answerable to us...bollocks i say. What the hell exactly has america given the world? a whole lot of shit...
My own country has given the world a whole lot of crap in the way of using countries resources even after our empire collapsed and leaving the countries we used without the structure to rebuild a civilisation.
I see no basis for your assumptions of people from other countries Billy..from what i've heard you spout so far you're simply regurgitating the same type of media generated shite that all governments feed thier proletariat...you want to actualy try getting out of your country or making friends with people outside your country to gain a new perspective.

Here here!

what reason would a roman leaving rome serve? The United States is the center of Earth in this age, were the top. I have no reason to go, plus i kind of like my freedom, being chipped away as they are its still better than living in a 1 step away from communism shit hole like Finland. The US, has actually borught COUNTLESS things to the world, you just refuse to acknowledge it because youre blazingly anti-american like most jealous Europeans are. Let it go, the empire is dead and its our turn to run the world.

And the nationalism runs thickly...

I don't see how being ethnically homogenous has anything to do with clean/alternative power...

sorry if i take pride in my country apparently its the thing to do these days, since so few of us really do, i mean the real cool thing though would be to hate my country right? its kinda funny though how nationalism is only bad when were talking about being american or british, but if were form some shit corner of the ice cap like Finland well shit thats phenominal isnt it?

As for racial homogeny, you would be very very suprised.

It was a joke, Billy.

But sure, lets go with it.

I apoligize if I have no pride in a nation that can subvert the democratic process to put it a war-mongering dictator-wannabe like Bush. I apoligize if I have no pride in a nation that lets that war-mongering dictator-wannabe do nearly whatever he wants. I apoligize if I have no pride in a nation that forces itself upon the rest of the world, causing more problems than otherwise would have occured.

And the list goes on.

Its the "thing to do?" So you have pride in this country because everyone else does? Who's more foolish? The fool or the one who follows him?

This entire thread is full of nationalism. Fine. You just put the hard edge onto it, and why I'm not sure. I found it easy to take Keeper's comments lightly.

I like how Bush is "war-mongering" because he constantly talks about a possible war with Iraq. Clinton, on the other hand, is hailed as a voice of reason and peace, when he drops thousands of bombs on a country without any attempt at negotiation or council, without any consent, or without any real planning (as witnessed to by the thousands of innocent civilians and bystanders killed, including those we were supposedly saving).

Yet thousands of people have been killed by American bombs since 9/11!

jealous f our power to wage war Keeper? i know it must be rough comming form a place that doesnt matter.

So far as I can tell people don't hate the ideals of our country, we hate our leaders and how we get fucked over by the upper 1 percent.

Mostly terrorists or enemy troops, but yes, a large number of innocents. That's because bombing is a stupid tactic. But for that, we must blame the lower 99%, not the upper 1%. The general populace favors any tactic that results in a low number of American casualties, regardless of how many innocent stander-by it kills of other countries. This is evident from all the idiots suggesting we "Nuke the Middle-East". Hopefully, if we do move against Iraq, we'll abandon this stupidity and use ground troops.

Only problem there is urban fighting carries a high casualty rate, whats going to happen when they ship back dozens of americans in coffins?

And pummeling the city from miles away and then going isn't going to do anything as you've destroyed your avility to move in armour and so have to use infantry. It'll be a bloody slogging match.

Ok, it has already been established that bush is about as clever as his name's sake. We know this. There was a cartoon in the Sunday newspaper:
Bush’s terrorism platform: "Let's Roll!"
Bush’s environment platform: "Roll Back!"

nuff' said.