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BERLIN (Sept. 26) - A German television network said on Thursday it had made a scientific study of 450 photographs of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and concluded there are at least three doubles posing as the Iraqi president.
The ZDF public television network, working with a German coroner, said it took the photographs and film clips of Saddam which it had in its archives and used facial recognition technology to determine that men said to be him were look-alikes.
"In the film sequences since 1998 only the doubles appear," said Dieter Buhmann, a Homburg coroner. "He himself has not been seen again."
But in the program, ZDF said that the original Saddam reappeared on Iraq television on Saturday. It also quoted what it said was a former Iraq intelligence official describing how he had recruited doubles for Saddam.
"It was a practice started for security reasons because Saddam traveled a lot at the time and had contact with the public," said the former intelligence official, now living abroad in opposition.
ZDF said in the program, and on its Web site (www.heute.t-online.de), that "a scientific investigation proved the 65-year-old ruler allows at least three doubles to replace him at official appearances."
ZDF said it was difficult to tell which were the doubles and which was the real Saddam Hussein. Minor details such as the size of the ears, hands and shape of the shoulders gave the look-alikes away, ZDF said.
"They have apparently undergone surgery to appear to look like the statesman," ZDF said. "The doubles have mastered Saddam's gestures and perfectly mimic Saddam, with only tiny details separating them from the real Saddam Hussein."
| Now this shouldn't suprise anyone. My question is this: Isn't this going to make it even more complicated if it comes to the US attacking Iraq? We've known about the doubles, but now we have conclusive evidence. The thought of attacking Iraq, urban warfare and all, is already a complicated one. But doesn't this just make it harder? Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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And Dyshade; what about the consequences should he be ousted? Where is the clear black line of when to decide who can or can not rule a country? Bismarck once said "Fools say they like to learn from their experiences, but I prefer to learn from the experience of others."
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I'm with the Liberal Democrats (UK centre party) on this one.
Only go to war if the weapons inspectors are impeded. Otherwise it is "more than a hint of imperialism". Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Quote: Originally posted by SirVLCIV And Dyshade; what about the consequences should he be ousted? Where is the clear black line of when to decide who can or can not rule a country? | I have a friend I work with who ran away from his home country six years ago.... he is Kurdish and called Northern Iraq his home.... he convinced me one night that Saddam is probably the most vile person alive today.... he told me how he himself witnessed Saddams troops bury alive 50,000 Kurds and then downplayed the incident to the UN....(His dad works for the UN) he also told me how one day his friend in N.Iraq came running into his house there crying and screaming because Saddams Secret Service had just shot his Father in the head right in front of him for no reason..... these are only two examples of the sickening stories he told me.... he said that he has no other wish then for the US military to kick his sorry ass all the way out of Iraq....
I never really believed the media stories about Saddams atrocities... but when you hear it from a person who lived there and witnessed it and lost over half of his relatives to Saddams troops you really do a double take..... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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My friend said that Saddam is the Twenty first centuries answer to Hitler.... and from the stories he told me it is quite true.... he is more then guilty of Genocide.... against the Kurds.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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His hero is stalin and he's trying to mimic him, Stalin had two or three doubles, all he reallyshowed up for was the May Day parades and of course his own funeral.
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There's a large difference between Hitler and Saddam. Hitler attempted to practice his ideas on a large scale, not just in his own country. Saddam, while cruel, is nowhere near the Hitler level. Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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I've heard the same thing said about him in my History class. I agree. Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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Lets put it this way, he executed 11.4% of the russian army in his purge thats over 2 and a half million men. Then there were the wrok camps. All the soldiers shot for treason, treatury and falling back. Then the purges after WW2, his final directives to kill all those in the work camps... hitler killed 9 million people stalin could have killed 20million + | |
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Quote: Originally posted by thefinalw0rd There's a large difference between Hitler and Saddam. Hitler attempted to practice his ideas on a large scale, not just in his own country. Saddam, while cruel, is nowhere near the Hitler level. | Yes... yet Hitler started his Genocidal campaign within his own countries borders also..... his expansion came later.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Quote: Originally posted by SirVLCIV And Dyshade; what about the consequences should he be ousted? Where is the clear black line of when to decide who can or can not rule a country? | what consequences you dolt? with an american occupation the Iraqi people will be free from a reign of terror, yes we may install a pathetic puppet government however when push comes to shove when the american presence leaves they will be grateful for it. Especially with modern american warfare, bomb them today feed them tommorrow.
and the clear line is this: He HAS weapons and has HAD weapons of mass destruction PERIOD Hes obviously NOT a stable man, he doesnt want to just run his country and do whats right for his people, he wants what he wants regardless of howmany of his own people and our people he might kill to get it. However personally i dont think he would hit the US directly i think if he had a Nuke he would probably hit Israel, thus gaining the support of all the MIddle easts Muslim nations...then he may gear up to hit the US with waves of terrorists and such.
quite being such a pussyfooter and siding with him you little turd, and ive been reading up on this forum... youre not nearly as intelligent as you think you are, any fool can quote texts and such. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Quote: Originally posted by Slingshot Kid what consequences you dolt? with an american occupation the Iraqi people will be free from a reign of terror, yes we may install a pathetic puppet government however when push comes to shove when the american presence leaves they will be grateful for it. Especially with modern american warfare, bomb them today feed them tommorrow. | You can't really feed them if they are dead, silly. Quote: Originally posted by Slingshot Kid and the clear line is this: He HAS weapons and has HAD weapons of mass destruction PERIOD Hes obviously NOT a stable man, he doesnt want to just run his country and do whats right for his people, he wants what he wants regardless of howmany of his own people and our people he might kill to get it. However personally i dont think he would hit the US directly i think if he had a Nuke he would probably hit Israel, thus gaining the support of all the MIddle easts Muslim nations...then he may gear up to hit the US with waves of terrorists and such.
quite being such a pussyfooter and siding with him you little turd, and ive been reading up on this forum... youre not nearly as intelligent as you think you are, any fool can quote texts and such. | So that document the prime minister of England showed to the House of Commons a couple of days ago wasn't quite as well researched as your own sources, yeah?
This is what imperialism is you see, you cannot tell other countries what to do, but you can prevent them from being a threat to you. No-one put you in charge and thank Allah or whomever you like for that. What a sec, didn't the USA get attacked by a smaller group than whom Mr. Saddam of the Husain family rules over already?, odd that. Surely you remember, just over a year ago?
You're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are, any fool can quote texts, but you must know what you're quoting as SirNumeral does, Worse would be harping on about non-facts based on your own stupidity. Tell me about saddam then, you seem to reckon yourself as quite the authority on the subject of middle-eastern politics. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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It is not that odd for famous people and dictators to have doubles. A lot of people know who they are and some of those people are insane. John Lennon from the Beatles should have had a double. Considering how may don't like Saddam, he should have an army of doubles. | |
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Dy, Didn't Hitler retake the Rhineland (which was a DMZ) and unite with Austria before he began the brunt of his genocide? And maybe he even waited until he took the Sudentenland. I can't remember for certain, but that seems like how it went. I did a 15-page paper on how WW2 was the Allies fault for school last year...but I didn't get as much into the genocidal aspect of it. Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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Quote: Originally posted by Keeper of Life Slingshot Kid sounds an awful lot like Kujo Crazy to me. | whats your point? is that the most intelligent conclusion you can.... uhhh conclude? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Quote: Originally posted by thefinalw0rd Dy, Didn't Hitler retake the Rhineland (which was a DMZ) and unite with Austria before he began the brunt of his genocide? And maybe he even waited until he took the Sudentenland. I can't remember for certain, but that seems like how it went. I did a 15-page paper on how WW2 was the Allies fault for school last year...but I didn't get as much into the genocidal aspect of it. | He actually started up the Death Camps in early 1938 from all accounts..... he started expanding at about the same time.... it is a toss u[p as to which came first.... though he needed to get his country on line first.... one of the reasons I think he started his genocidal campaign first.... open up jobs for the good folk of germany whilst getting rid of the "offal".... There are rumors that the Concentration Camps were officially started way back in 1933./.... I cannot find any info to substantiate this though....
Now how could WW2 be the allies fault???? Germany was the country that began to expand.... with great prejudice I might add.... and Japan was the country that bombed Pearl Harbor after we had decided to take a nuetral stance on the whole thing.... I would like to know how it was the allies fault??? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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