Okay.
A homosexual is a person who is drawn(sexually) to someone of the same gender.
They are the same as anyone else, with the same basic DNA structure, and the same overall attitudes. They come from the same species as other Humans, and they have no control over their sexual desires just like anyone else.

However Homosexual's are condemned.

Can someone explain to me how it is that Homosexuals are not the same as any other person, save for their sexual desires?

They are the same as anyone else, really. It's the way different people in society views them that varies.

Some people base their opinions on what they hear on TV, or the media in general. Some base their opinions on religious codes, and some just go by whether they themselves accept it or not.

Yes, it happens in nature, and yes, lots of animals have been seen exibiting homosexual behavior, however to human eyes, we have been trained to expect the classic "Man/Woman" relationship. Anything outside of this is deemed exotic, strange, erotic, an abomination, or just plain disgusting, depending on the person you ask.

So instead of looking at homosexuality, perhaps we should be looking at the people looking at homosexuality.

Or not. Hehe. It's not my thread.

actually, if you want to get into semantics;
Not ALL homosexual's are actually condemned - only those which have "come out".

I see it as; homosexuality, only becomes an issue, with homophobic people - when a homosexual happens to "mention" their sexual preferences.
Hence, if the given homosexual, dosen't discuss "sexuality" (as a generalised word) with the given homophobic person, then the given homophobic individual would have no issue, or wrong against the homosexual person.

So is it then hipocritical to be homophobic?
Given, someone you know may be gay - they just haven't told YOU.
And because you don't know, you don't condem them (personally) - you only really condem the homsexuals who have "come out".

I think he's just stating that a lot of people condemn Homosexuals as a whole. The actual act and the actual state of being Homosexual. Coming out or not.

Correct, and you guys may take this thread anywhere you wish so long as it relates to Homosexuality and the way people think about it, or the reactions to it.

NOTHING ABOUT THE LAWS.
NOTHIIINNNGGG

the problem with homosexuality is that it is not what nature intended, however, people often forget that sex is not what nature intended....nature intended reproduction, not fucking for the pleasure....so who gives a shit, right?

people fear homo's for whatever reasons.........i am not a homo-phobe and have gay friends, and let me tell you, there's a distinct difference between afag and a homosexual.......most fags are those who talk about there ass, sucking dick, and getting fucked (no joke!!!!!!); the tend to get a little annoying...........anyway, i dunno.....homosexuality is whatever man, i don't care, but fags do get on my nerves.....they are nothing more than boy whores....

why dont the people who want to legalize gay weedings also want to legalize weddings between a brothers/sister incest)? I guess theyre not the bastion of civil rights afterall.

I don't know why this is even a question, its been happening for centuries. The majority always tends to oppress the minority be it because of sexual preference, race, religion, or whatever difference they have. It all boils down to one problem: the majority of people in this world think that there way is the only RIGHT way. Be they homophobes or gay rights activists, no one is willing to accept that others feel the way they do, not because their freaks or perverts or religious zealots... but because its a feeling that comes naturally to them. And these constant arguments prove my point.

Nature didn't 'intend' anything - it's not a person. We are what we are because that's the way we've turned out through a process of evolution. If we've turned out so that some of us are gay then I don't really see how that's a big social issue. It makes little difference to people in general.

The thing about 'fags' and 'homosexuals,' as you term it, is that you could say the same about straight people who talk about sex all the time. It gets pretty annoying. They should just shut up and get on with it.

exactly, that was my point.......and i meant the term "intend" broadly..........anyway, what is the deal with legalizing homosexual marriages? i understand gays arguments that getting married has its rewards: like sharing life-plans, insurance, etc.....however, gays can have that shit if they just confirm their partnership.......personally, i think marriage is a religious/spiritual union, and according to religious authority, only straight ppl can be married.....i understand the issue of the argument, but don't see whay it is such a big fucking deal

You know what I find odd? Usually when people talk about finding homosexuality disgusting, they talk about two men getting together. When religious people talk about homosexuality, usually they refer to two men.
So one would say, from my experience even, that homosexuality amongst women is more accepted... or maybe just more overlooked, then homosexuality in men.

In fact, I've asked a guy what he thought about homosexual men, he said it was gross and disgusting. THen I asked him about lesbians and he said "They're hot!... well.. the good looking ones anyway."
So Lesbianism is attractive to some of the same people that find two men being gay disgusting.
If you find one gross and abhorrent, why forget, disregard, or accept the other one?

Humans are weird creatures.

please, do as the creator of this thread had requested, and keep this for on topic discussion of sexuality...if you want to use political and news related aspects to support your arguement, please, make another thread...

thank you
~jordyn

jordyn... a voice of civility.

I was not aware of the extent to which we were to exclude politics. As such, I want to make clear that I was not intending to "inject" anything into a non-political thread, but was only responding to the topic. The topic is in part discrimination against homosexuals, which is multifaceted. Anything political is incidental... Anyway.
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As I wrote before, and it was deleted ...

Homosexual activity is an aberration. That is to say, since it's considered from the point of view of sex, then it's clearly contrary to the design of sex. That, in turn, is not to imply some kind of "intent of nature"; but it's not unreasonable to infer "intent of sex" in itself. The "intent" of sex is reproduction.

If something is an aberration, it does not mean that it is "bad". The label is innocent. There is nothing inherently bad or ugly about homosexual activity. It just happens to be freaky. Most ppl react negatively to what is not familiar or does not appear "normal".

On a smaller note... studies show that most serious homophobes are repressed homosexuals. It's not difficult to infer that anyone who has an emotional aversion to homosexuality is at the very least himself/herself afraid that s/he might be gay.

Speaking of gay...

This thread.

Yay!

up until even a good 100 years ago it was common for middle aged men to marry 14 year old girls. Also the same morality that spoke against homosexuality said it was ok to have multiple wives. I am comfused.

What society deems acceptable changes throughout history. As I was trying to explain to Billy the other day (by the way, Billy... same argument as before. Get some new material. The incest thing is tired) homosexuality WAS a standard practice amongst many different cultures. It wasn't condemned or considered "freaky" or "not what nature intended". The intended purpose of sex may be procreation.. but everyone knows damn well that's not what we use it for.

Pleasure. For many of us it's about pleasure. If putting your dick in another man makes you feel good, by all means.... do it.

process of evolution!!!!tahs such a joke life existed by other means like mutations and such evolution is such a farse that people afked fossils to make it more believeable like i think it may be true about we never went to the moon!