the fallacy of your argument is that you think that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is better.

oh, theres already people mooching off of the national healthcare system, so lets give it to EVERYONE so everyone can mooch.

Oh a hurricane already hit New Orlenes and destroyed it, might as well detonate all southern coastal cities, so we dont have to worrya bout it again.

i dont get the baby and bathwater refrence

if we gave it to everyone there wouldnt be a need for mooching but anyway whos giving it you and I are paying for it now for everyone why not make more people pay so that the burden is more distributed.

I know its difficult to conceptulize this idea Billy but let me try it a little diffrent for evey item you buy there is an anticpated amount of "shrinkage" one aspect of shrinkage is theft. Every seller of goods adds a little to the price of each good to compensate for Shrinkage so when someone steals there not stealing from the store there stealing from you and me. Same thing goes for healthcare except that emergency medical treatment is not really stealing its human decency to provide such service to someone in need. As such we can choose to continue to pay threw the nose or distibute some aspect of the cost to those individuals whom cant afford health insurance but actually want to pay for.

Interesting point about New Orlenes I fail to see how it even remotely relates to the subject at hand. Perhaps we should blow up every building taller then 4 stories that way the terroists wont get us either. What other completely ridiculas things can we come up with an attempt to muddy the subject. Ther must be something that can be done about circus clowns they are poisioning the minds of Americas youth wearing all that makeup in public deffintly corrupts are children

Oh inknow if EVERYONE had it there would be no mooching. God, we should just have a nuclear war, if theres no humans left we wont have a need for healthcare either right?

So since i haven't used health care for over 8 years, shouldn't i get money from them?
I mean it is a relevant deduction on my paycheck when added up for that long a time..

Yeah. I have healthcare through my Union and still get that MediBS deduction from my paycheck every week. Even though I have never used medicare or whatever they call it these days.

Exactly. I havent either. I should be entitled to a tax refund etc. I want a tax refund from the town and state too for local schools once I have a child and put him/her in a private institution.

hmmm I had to put my sunglasses on to read this post the wisdom contained in the text was nearly blinding

all sarcasam aside

if i gave you two choices, as follows, which would you choose?

A. People mooch and healthcare costs go up effectivly turning more people into moochers

B. People mooch but healthcare costs remian relativly the same because the number of people actually contributing to the healthcare system has increased

can you be more specific. are you talking medicare or personnel health insurance

if my choice is to keep healthcare the same while trying to reduce it, or to give it to everyone and let everyone mooch, i choose mysterious option 3, since youre going to absurd lengths to prove a fallacy, option 3: Kill all the sick and enforce strict eugenics.

This I agree with I think schools should be privatized. Public schools for the most part truly fail to prepare students for work in the private sector. In private schools students could really be prepared to use there talents and not be forced to finish subjects that have no value to them

what fallacy is that Billy? you have yet to point exactly what my fallacy is. bring it out into the light would you please.

you think that the way to fix healthcare mooching is to give it to everyone so everyone can be a moocher thus negating the need for fixing it. Thats bullshit. I say we cancel it alltogether. That will accomplish the same thing.

how does everyone become a moocher?

your plan wont work unless you close emergency rooms

Yes, close emergency rooms. They wont be required as much when the eugenics kicks in. I mean if we are going to make ridiculous statements, lets do it... cancel all hospitals except privately run and owned hospitals that only take private insurance.

Giving free medical to everyone is the wrong answer. We already get taxxed 20+% and I certainly do not want to see that increased to 40 or more just so some bum can see a doctor because his liver is failing due to all the back alley whiskey he is drinking.

The people Billy and I describe? Billy and I on opposite sides of the health care argument. What people did I describe? I'm FOR national health care.

What about so a hard-working non-whore who pays taxes can get the care he/she needs to survive? Would you subscribe to it then? Or are all of you so intent on keeping the bad ones out that you're refusing to let the good ones in.

the moocher with nine kids you described previously

Sorry Billy but the only one of us making ridiculous statements is you. You wont be able to restrict medical care to the moochers unless you close the emregency rooms. Lets focus in on these so called moochers you descibe for a second. Where do they impact the cost of medical care? Ill give you a hint its not at a standard physical that costs about $100.00 and its not at an office visit for a sore throat which is also about $100.00. It is in the Emergency room visit that usally costs about $10,000.00. This is of course not the sole reason that healthcare is on the rise, theres also lawsuits, an aging population base, and poor investment decsions by private insurance entities. You present a ludcris idea of elimanting health insurance althogther and I present a sound logical idea of greater cost distirbution (not because you and I are paying more but becuase more people are paying) and the elimnation of private secotor groups that dont care about the people they serve. Health Insurance is a good fit for goverment the idea of goverment is to protect the public intrest I have yet to lose so much faith in our goverment that I have lost trust in its overall purpose which is to serve you and me and everyone else.