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Lawson · 04-14-04

You are defending a liar.

04-14-04

I'll ask again, why aren't you answering my questions?

He's a liar how? Can you prove that? How do you even know what he's said if you haven't even watched the film? Seems like you're the type of person one has to repeat oneself to, repeatedly, before you even notice anything.

So a six year old boy never shot a little six year old girl, with a handgun? So students weren't shot down at Columbine school? Some died, some were maimed for life, that was all a dramatization? The Ohklahoma bombings never happened? So Mcvey died for no reason, or was that a Hollywood rendition of someone's imagination? So Charlton Heston agreed to walk away on film and not even look at the picture of the six year old girl that got shot down, thus making him look really, realllllllly bad?

I'll ask again, why aren't you answering my questions?

I'm defending my right to my own opinion, because I have seen the film. I am speaking my mind, having formed my OWN opinion, which I have yet to see YOU do on this topic. I have not seen where this man is shown to be a liar and you have yet to either answer me or prove he is in fact a liar.

04-14-04

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Originally Posted by Lillith

Did you even read any of that stuff you copied and posted? Majority of it isn't even about the film. Maybe you should do more than just read the title of an article.

"Well, guess what. Total number of lawsuits to date against me or my film by the NRA? NONE. That's right, zero. And don't forget for a second that if they could have shut this film down on a technicality they would have. But they didn't and they can't – because the film is factually solid and above reproach. In fact, we have not been sued by any individual or group over the statements made in "Bowling for Columbine?" Why is that? Because everything we say is true – and the things that are our opinion, we say so and leave it up to the viewer to decide if our point of view is correct or not for each of them." -Michael Moore

I just thought you may have missed this, so just in case you have, here it is again.

04-14-04

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Originally Posted by Lawson

I prefer the truth.

Gutterball Number Three: Wrong About Toaster Deaths
On the Oprah Winfrey show (11/1/02), talking about the Michigan bank that offered long-guns as gifts, Moore says: "What happened to giving out toasters, you know? I'd never heard of anybody killed by a toaster, you know?"

But, surprise!, once again, Moore is wrong, you know? The St. Louis Post-Dispatch (8/30/02) reports a woman who used a rolled-up newspaper and toaster to light a cigarette started a fire that killed her mentally ill adult daughter. The Irish Times (2/28/02) reports that in Cork, in 1997, one homeless man murdered another homeless man by hitting him in the head with a toaster. And the Philippine Daily Inquirer (8/28/01) tells of a young woman who saw her toaster on fire, threw water on it and was electrocuted instantly.

A Global News Wire story (8/3/01) says a pop-up toaster is the likely cause of a fire killing a mother and son in Timaru, New Zealand. A Canadian Press report (7/28/2000) says that in Quebec a house fire started by a toaster killed an autistic young man. And the Richmond Times-Dispatch (5/10/99) says a Yorkshire, Virginia, couple filed a $4.7 million lawsuit against a Delaware business alleging that their toaster was faulty and caused a fire killing their mentally disabled son and his grandmother. We found several more stories like this from around the world involving killer-toasters. Perhaps Michael Moore's next movie will deal with the obvious need for tougher toaster-control laws.

This has to be the funniest shit you've managed to dig up yet, Lawson. First of all it has bugger all to do with the film and second of all it's amazing that something facetious was taken so seriously by his critics. I mean, is that really the best they could come up with? And it is an insult to all innocent children, men and women who died as a result of guns.

Can you in all honesty compare freak accidents with global stastics?

The U.S. figure of 11,127 gun deaths comes from a report from the Center for Disease Control. Japan's gun deaths of 39 was provided by the National Police Agency of Japan; Germany: 381 gun deaths from Bundeskriminalamt (German FBI); Canada: 165 gun deaths from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency; United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain; Australia: 65 gun deaths from the Australian Institute of Criminology; France: 255 gun deaths, from the International Journal of Epidemiology. - Taken from Michael Moore's site. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

PS. Did you notice he said he's never "heard" of anyone being killed by a toaster? He didn't proclaim it to be an undisputed fact, he himself has just never heard of it, as I am sure many other people never knew either.

John Preston · 04-15-04

Michael Moore's a nice guy.
In one of his more latest books he points out mistakes and such made by both Democrats and Republicans, and backs them with blah blah blah.
Yup.

John Preston · 04-15-04

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Originally Posted by Lawson

Viewer beware
In "Bowling for Columbine," Michael Moore once again puts distortions and contradictions before the truth
By Ben Fritz
November 19, 2002

Oh..that's a nice article name.
By the way..where's the link?

And if you didn't realize, your second one came from GUNOWNERS.ORG
Uhh..huh.
Unbiased? I think not.

Lawson · 04-15-04

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Originally Posted by Lillith

This has to be the funniest shit you've managed to dig up yet, Lawson. First of all it has bugger all to do with the film and second of all it's amazing that something facetious was taken so seriously by his critics. I mean, is that really the best they could come up with? And it is an insult to all innocent children, men and women who died as a result of guns.

Can you in all honesty compare freak accidents with global stastics?

The U.S. figure of 11,127 gun deaths comes from a report from the Center for Disease Control. Japan's gun deaths of 39 was provided by the National Police Agency of Japan; Germany: 381 gun deaths from Bundeskriminalamt (German FBI); Canada: 165 gun deaths from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency; United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain; Australia: 65 gun deaths from the Australian Institute of Criminology; France: 255 gun deaths, from the International Journal of Epidemiology. - Taken from Michael Moore's site. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

PS. Did you notice he said he's never "heard" of anyone being killed by a toaster? He didn't proclaim it to be an undisputed fact, he himself has just never heard of it, as I am sure many other people never knew either.

The Center for Disease Control knows nothing about firearms, nor firearms deaths. Gun ownership is not a disease.

Stop supporting a liar.

SirVLCIV · 04-15-04

If you can somehow support your assumptions, that'd be appreciable.

04-15-04

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Originally Posted by Lawson

The Center for Disease Control knows nothing about firearms, nor firearms deaths. Gun ownership is not a disease.

Stop supporting a liar.

Are you ever going to answer any of my questions or are you too afraid to?

Are you ever going to read the masses of copied and pasted text you use to support a lack of having your own opinion?

Are you ever going to thoroughly read what anyone writes?

pseudogoth dash · 04-15-04

I don't really like Michael Moore but I like him a whole lot more than I like George W. Bush. I think Moore's tactics in the movie were not too far removed from what Hard Copy and similar "current affair" shows use and that perhaps he should not have preyed on simple folk such as Terry Nichols quite so much. Surely there are some semi-intelligent gun owners out there who he could have interviewed? If not for any other reason simply to provide the other half of the story that he seems so interested in in his book, "Dude, where's my country?"

That he chooses only to interview those with 'fringe' or extreme opinions, whether left or right -wing shows that he is looking purely for the reaction shot.

On a different note, that Lawson character is rather annoying and ill-informed, isn't he?
Perhaps the good people of DF can endeavour to send him the way of his friend, JLB?

neonwraith · 04-17-04

He made MAralyn masnon sound intellgent and well informed. That blew it for me

He is clearly an exceptionally gifted film-maker. And it was an exceptionally good film. However, although I agree entirely with what he's trying to do, I think that in that by including Manson (For understandable reasons since Manson was blamed for the massacre) he's going to come across as an appologist for rock rather then as a serious documatary maker and for the clearly giften wrter/director that he is.

Neon

Dark Messiah · 04-17-04

Most of the movie was transparent bullshit. I did feel that he made one truly excellent point, which is how strongly the media we rely on is doing nothing but pumping the public full of fear. It's not healthy at all, and it's probably the source of a huge percentage of this county's problems.

But I'm not condoning Michael Moore. Most people will get at least one or two good points out of a long spiel of rhetoric and distortion. Moore's still a pompous ass, no better than a mirror image of Bill O'Reilly.