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But soccer is such a homo-sport.
  
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The one reason that handguns no longer exist in the UK is because of Dunblane. Because of some fucking retarded scout master who couldn't have his way with the kiddies. That one moment of madness on a mad-mans part meant that it was illegal to own a handgun in the UK once legislation was passed through parliament. I agreed with Prince Phillips (the Queens husband) remark saying that if the man had killed those 16 children with a criket bat, would cricket bats be banned?

I believe it's every human beings right to bear arms. To protect himself, and his family, and his possessions.

Guns do not kill people. People do.
  
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But soccer is such a homo-sport.

How is soccer a homo sport?


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Yeah! Explain, please.
  
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Actually it does, and the fact of the matter is that just the Government SAYING "guns are now illegal to own" is enough for criminals to say "hmmmm it should be easier to rape someone now". Do you think there would be more or less crime tommorrow if the Prime Minister came out and said we are reducing the amounht of police by half in all of England. Even if they DIDNT do that, but said they would I am betting crime would have a quick and sharp increase. Why? Because criminals wait for opporitunities, they like easy and soft victims.

But you and youre UK friends can pretend its all Alcohol related if you want. I am sure that will get you somewhere.
But hardly had guns back then! That's my point. There wasn't this big shift in society when people had to give up guns. We weren't all armed to the hilt one day and naked the next.

Plus, I could walk out tomorrow and apply for a gun licence and get myself a shot gun if I wanted, anyone without a criminal record or history of mental illness could. The hand gun situation is much more recent.

And I didn't say it was alcohol related. I said it was cultural and justice related. The government has basically said 'We haven't enough prison spaces, and we've got rid of borstals and the death penalty. That also presents an opportunity to the criminals.



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But hardly had guns back then! That's my point. There wasn't this big shift in society when people had to give up guns. We weren't all armed to the hilt one day and naked the next.

Plus, I could walk out tomorrow and apply for a gun licence and get myself a shot gun if I wanted, anyone without a criminal record or history of mental illness could. The hand gun situation is much more recent.

And I didn't say it was alcohol related. I said it was cultural and justice related. The government has basically said 'We haven't enough prison spaces, and we've got rid of borstals and the death penalty. That also presents an opportunity to the criminals.
Doesnt matter they were still legal, and people still had them. It was a huge risk to rob someone. Take them away and it emboldens criminals. THATS the point.
  
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and people still had them. It was a huge risk to rob someone.

Sorry, but they didn't.

I was a nurse for years working in people homes in the community. I met people who had de-activated guns brought back from the war, and shot gun owners, but the percentage of gun owners in the this country even thirty-forty years ago was tiny. The average family in a terraced house in Luton did not own a gun. Farmers did, and they are the ones that still do.

Crime was smaller on all counts. Even if you look at the big crimes of the time when guns were easier to own, they were conducted without.
The driver in the case of the great train robbery was beaten to a pulp, not shot, etc.

Old ladies didn't even lock their doors at night forty years ago, and they didn't all have guns. And there are people who didn't lock their doors twenty years ago either. The rise in crime statistics is much sharper in more recent years, not this big jump as soon as gun control was brought in.

The biggest risk in robbing someone was the fact that they might well know you. Communities were smaller and tighter knit, and chances are you could identify your burglar, or at least see your goods in the pawn shop or someone else's living room the next day.



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lol, if they didnt have guns there was nothing to make illegal then right? Sorrrrry. They had them.
  
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lol, if they didnt have guns there was nothing to make illegal then right? Sorrrrry. They had them.
Where are you getting this idea that people generally had guns from? I am genuinely interested in what your your source for this is. People fear guns now more than they ever did.

And guns were not suddenly made illegal. As I keep saying, if you want a shot gun or certain firearms and explosives the UK, you can go out and get them.

Look, I can even get the forms on line.

http://www.gwent.police.uk/channels/...s/appforms.htm

Control was what was brought in, not an outright banning.



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Sorry, but they didn't.

I was a nurse for years working in people homes in the community. I met people who had de-activated guns brought back from the war, and shot gun owners, but the percentage of gun owners in the this country even thirty-forty years ago was tiny. The average family in a terraced house in Luton did not own a gun. Farmers did, and they are the ones that still do.

Crime was smaller on all counts. Even if you look at the big crimes of the time when guns were easier to own, they were conducted without.
The driver in the case of the great train robbery was beaten to a pulp, not shot, etc.

Old ladies didn't even lock their doors at night forty years ago, and they didn't all have guns. And there are people who didn't lock their doors twenty years ago either. The rise in crime statistics is much sharper in more recent years, not this big jump as soon as gun control was brought in.

The biggest risk in robbing someone was the fact that they might well know you. Communities were smaller and tighter knit, and chances are you could identify your burglar, or at least see your goods in the pawn shop or someone else's living room the next day.
This is exactly what I mean.


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This is exactly what I mean.

i think that is what everyones been trying to say to him..nevermind, it might get through at some point.


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