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Rogue, Rogue, Rogue....

It is a discussion my friend. This is not a holy war. We disagree about the topic at hand but we are not in a fight. I am thankful for the opportunity to defend the Word of the Lord in this place.
I am thankful you are here to respond with your opinions also.

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im not saying U and I are at war. im talking about the holoy wars and schisms that have broken out because of "intepretaions" and disagreements on "intent"...

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What of the Chapters that were entirely removed???
The Apocrypha???
What reason did we as Man have to remove a portion of "Gods" Words as you will???
By what divine right did we alter that which he gave to us as a whole...???

I ask these questions from a "I believe in God" perspective because I am truly curious...
The "Scribal errors" as you name them went far and beyond what you describe as "Proper names" And "numbers" and anyways how hard is it to translate a name??? David is David.... right???
There is relevence in the errors that can cause presuppositions to be made about the authenticity of any and all surviving modern Bibles.... 24,000 variations is a lot of variations.... especially between only Six Seperate Editions of the supposedly SAME BOOK
And they were there... and listed... some of them went beyond what you call "scribal errors"

In ending Why was the Apocrypha removed from what you see as the original version of the Bible... and remains removed by most modern translations....????
Can you explain how man can go beyond Gods Law and remove a portion of His story as that is what the Bible is???



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oh didnt u know? god personally contacted the compilers of the bible and specifically told them to leave it out...

those fucking hypocrites...


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I know why they were left out...
Though I am sure my facts will in no way coincide with Sams answer.... and besides answering my own questions defeats the purpose of a healthy debate....



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thems fightin words...

man im frisky tonight...


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In ending Why was the Apocrypha removed from what you see as the original version of the Bible... and remains removed by most modern translations....????
First of all, I am going to give a short answer at this point. This topic deserves much longer space, but for a shot at brevity, I am going to try to give an answer that will at least be on par.

The question of which books belong in the Bible is called the question of the canon. The word "canon" means "rule" or "measuring rod", and in relation to the Bible it refers to the collection of books that passed a test of authenticity and authority; it also means that those books are our rule of life.

Basically, there are a few principles that outline the Protestant perspective. As you know, I am a Southern Baptist.
In a nutshell some of the questions asked about the writings goes as follows: Was the book written by a spokesperson for God, who was confirmed by an act of God, who told the truth in the power of God, and was accepted by the people of God? If these can be answered in the affirmative, especially the first question, the book was usually immediately recognized as inspired and included in the canon. The Old Testament Apocrypha lacks many of these characteristics. None of the books claim to be written by a prophet and Maccabees specifically denies being prophetic. Most importantly, many in the early church including Melito of Sardis, Origen, Athanasius, Gregory of Nazianzus, and Jerome rejected the canonicity of the Apocrypha, although retaining high regards for its devotional and inspirational value.

I am really not even scatching the surface here Dyshade. But, this is a basic, fundemental view of how we got our present day Bible. If you like I could and am willing to go to great lengths to give details showing how the canonicty of Scripture came to be, describing the the Council of Carthage in 397, the Council of Trent in 1548 who had LOTS of fun with the reformers.....we can talk about the Septuagint, the Vulgate, the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus, both of the 4th century, or the Codex Alexandrinus of the fifth century. We can talk about the Coverdale, Geneva and the King James versions. There is SO much we can discuss and as I said previously, I will be glad to do so. Just keep in mind, that this is a topic that cannot just be tossed aside after an answer. It must be digested. I LOVE this topic and I would be continually honored to defend the faith for my Lord.

Thanks Dyshade for your patience as I am having a very busy week. I am trying my hardest to get back to you when I can and as expediently as I can. Thanks again for participating in this discussion

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your going to have to give me these links for authentication... that or if u have them as txt files then... but i want to validate these "facts" for myself...


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The question of which books belong in the Bible is called the question of the canon. The word "canon" means "rule" or "measuring rod", and in relation to the Bible it refers to the collection of books that passed a test of authenticity and authority; it also means that those books are our rule of life.
In other words "boys" the dude with the bigest "wanker" makes the rules


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always the tactfull one, eh bitch?


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always rogue .....


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how flattering that u agree...

but flattery will get u nowhere... u fine, foxy lady


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ditto rogue ....

and ditto again rogue ...


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heh...

seriously... about the danites... ever heard of em before?


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nevermind... ive lost where i was going


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arent they the ones that basically "instigated" the mountain meadow massacare? or am I way off?


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not just that one, but others as well... indian uprisings... etc.

all in the name of the morman church


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yea ... thats what I thought ... buncha nice folks ... wouldnt you agree?? Especially when they "preach" till they're blue in the face about "loving" your neighbor ... bah!

and since I seem to gravitate to the Native American style of Wicca (Earth Magik I guess you would call it) ... it leaves a rather bitter taste in my mouth ...


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me, i just claim personal divinity and let the rest go... that is until a bunch of christians decide to try and burn me at the proverbial stake


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I hear ya ... i would like to change the world all by my little self .. but I just dont see it happenin ...


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