I've written a lot of chaos,(mostly to my friends) but it's always really been a nagging question in my mind, can we have a balance without chaos?

I really don't believe so, and you can't really have a chaos without good and evil can you? Chaos is the eternal clashing of two opposites, and if there wasn't good and evil would chaos and balance exist as we know it? This is really a huge question if you think about it, and I need some help figuring it out. So can chaos really happen without good and evil?

I live in chaos, or simply within the balance in it, but I really can't find the answer to all the questions that haunt me. Even deeper than the chaos question, is, may there be a clashing of something more fundemental than good and evil? Really, is there possibly?

First off, you're assuming that the premise: evil and good exist is a truth. Secondly, you're assuming that the premise: chaos is the eternal clashing of two opposites is sound in its approach.

You have a few things to sort out...

1. Does good and evil truly exist? Does evil exist? What philosophical justifications are there that prove such things do exist. And that's a key problem. First and foremost, the philosophy of perception is the first key philosophical inquiry that would be used to prove the existence of good and evil. But perception is in itself a flawed theory, for there are many instances where perception is wrong (stars aren't white specks in the sky, they're big balls of burning gas...even then, the star might not actually be there, and we're really just seeing light that has yet to burn out; hallucinations are another example of perceptions flaws; and etc. etc. etc.). Even then, what is good to you might not be good to me under the logic of perception. So, in defining good and evil, there's much clarity needed.

2. Absurdism is another approach in proving the existence of good and evil. They, put it simply, can be understood/comprehended...thus, they must exist in some form. This is also characteristic of ontological arguments.

The point is, when declaring evil and good as existing, and further more that chaos is the derivative of their existence, you need to do some further questioning.

And on that subject, you seem to be declaring that chaos is only the result of opposites. But there are things that exist which have no opposite. Such as, to be blunt, existence. Non-existence isn't an opposite, for non-existence is an impossibility. TO HAVE non-existence, well, surely it EXISTS as such! Therefore, in as much as non-existence is an impossibility, and existence is a truth, there are situations where there are no opposites. So, if chaos does exist, what problems and questions arise from something existing, when existence is all that's possible? If chaos is the eternal clashing of opposites, and there are instances of non-opposites, specifically existence as a whole, then is existence effected by chaos?

I would think it best to substitute the word "chaos" with "change"...and further more, substitute it with "motion." You have, as it is, as it will forever be, a fundamental truth that there will always be "motion." I am sixxx(sic)six, right now, at this very instance, 1:43 AM on Tuesday of May 23, 2006. And now, I am sixxx(sic)six, at this very instance, 1:44 AM on Tuesday of May 23, 2006. How much has changed since then? Was not my "motion" in that brief period of time chaotic? Was there not a "destruction" of what I was and a "reorder" of what I am now?

Chaos and balance...what is balance? How is balance a factor? Does balance even exist? If there exists instances of non-opposites, how is it balanced? Through motion, perhaps? A destruction and a reorder?

So is the ever ole' cliche of good vs' evil needed to bring about chaos and balance? I don't see the justification. Whether or not good and evil exist is a problem in itself, and whether or not balance exists is a key problem as well. But, like I said, if you were to substitute "reorder" in place of "balance," then there might be fundamental philosophy to consider.

There are indeed instances which seem chaotic. Everything from indepth philosophical views to scientific principles to everyday human occurances. Things happen, things change, what once was is no longer. Are these directly correlated to views on good and evil...not really.

I completely agree with you. Chaos is the eternal clashing of two opposites and it cannot exist without good and evil. If there was no good and evil there would be no chaos because there wouldn't be anything. We would just live in an empty world, where we did the same thing every day without any thought as to what we are doing.

Yep

Was sic's post too long to read?

To elphie, like sic said you have to define good and evil first, and then define chaos with a definition that cant be disproven so easily.

Evil?

...for reference on defintions.

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Was sic's post too long to read?

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NO, it wasn't! *glares*

lol Faid...you're gonna make a good philosopher yet...

Haha i try

Sorry vampy i didnt mean to offend in any way, that is just the first thought that came to mind after reading you post.

when it comes to good and evil i dont believe that it's possible know either one. what we know as good and evil is basically what society has taught us. before we were were even in school our parents/guardians told us that a lie was bad and one who lies is evil and the truth was good and one who tells the truth was good, if that makes sense.
so good and evil is only what we have been told. im not trying to take a side on this forum or anything but i'm just saying when you talk about about a broad subject like this one must take into consideration what it really is and how society has brought us up. but i really think the good/evil/chaos subject is really interesting and it's something to get you thinking.

Not to sound condenscending, but you should've taken a gander at my post up above.

this is just my personal opinion, but i find it odd to even suggest that good and evil don't exist. of course they exist. everything exists - it's all in the definitions. good and evil are kinda hard to define because there is no objective good or evil... or is there? everyone must belong to one of two large groups of people: people who believe there is a unifying force in the universe that dictates objective truth; people who believe that truth exists only as we perceive it. those are the only two i can see at the moment - if anybody can think of any others, let me know. anyway in the first case, it's impossible to ever really be sure you know good or evil. in the second case, everyone's good and evil are different. either way all we can know is what we feel, and chaos is, in a way, the clashing of good and evil, but more precisely, it's the confusion over what's right and what's wrong. if we all agreed on right and wrong, good and evil, conflict would cease to exist and chaos would be a thing of the past. however, chaos is a fact of life, logically, in both systems and is what we really call freedom of choice. if we all felt the same way, we would act in the same way, and thus would be incapable of doing anything but what was the logical next step in the sequence of actions which constitute our existences under one good-evil system. wow i confuse even myself from time to time...

Meh...I'd give you a B- for effort.

ouch that stings. *tear* i don't have anything to prove to you! you bastard!