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Girls Made To Pass Underwear Test To Enter CA High School Dance - 05-01-02

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"After a while the girls finally got the idea that they shouldn't say 'thong' when
they were asked, even though that's all they wear now. They won't be caught
dead in the locker room wearing regular underwear," she said.



LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Angry parents demanded the resignation of a California high school vice principal on Tuesday after she lifted the skirts of teenage girls at a dance to make sure they were wearing "appropriate" underwear.

Parents at Rancho Bernardo High School in suburban San Diego say the vice principal, Rita Wilson, made the girls prove that they were not wearing skimpy thong panties before they were allowed into the dance on Friday.

In some cases, said Rancho Bernardo parent Kim Teal, girls also were made to partially undress if Wilson or another teacher suspected that they weren't wearing bras.

"These girls feel violated," said Teal, whose daughter Rebecca, a sophomore, was asked about her panties but escaped a search after telling Wilson that she was not wearing a thong.

"One girl just cried after having to tell her father this story, she was hiding her head in a sweatshirt," Teal said, adding that the girls had their skirts lifted in front of men and their male classmates.

"After a while the girls finally got the idea that they shouldn't say 'thong' when they were asked, even though that's all they wear now. They won't be caught dead in the locker room wearing regular underwear," she said.

Wilson and Paul Gentle, Rancho Bernardo's principal, were unavailable for comment on the skirt-lifting.

Don Phillips, superintendent of the Poway Unified School District, said students, staff and others were being interviewed to determine what happened at the dance, which he said was attended by about 725 pupils.

"The principal is talking with the parents involved," he said. "We are taking this seriously and want to ensure that any actions to be taken are based on the facts of the situation."

Teal, a 43-year-old attorney, said she learned about the skirt-lifting from her daughter, whose friends were forced to show their panties in front of boys, teachers and police officers standing at the door.

She said most of the girls who wore skirts or dresses to the dance, which had a "blast from the past" theme, reported being grilled about their underwear or forced to show them to Wilson or another teacher.

Teachers also checked several boys who were wearing togas, Teal said, and some girls were asked about their bras.

"I just got a call from one mom who said her daughter was wearing a poodle skirt and an off-the-shoulder top and a teacher reached right out and grabbed the front of it and pulled it down to check," Teal said.

Teal said she and other parents would demand the resignation of Wilson and any other teachers involved and would also consider filing a lawsuit against the school district for violating the civil rights of their daughters.

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I dont think it is the girls fault, they are all young,and know no better. By this, i mean, they follow the crowd, they mimic whatever is socially acceptable,and will get them lots of attention.Of course, theyre role models on tv are the half naked SECURITY PROTECTED pop singer's,and fashion models of the television.Classic.Not to mention that thong's are a hot new trend with the majority of females these day's.

First of all:

Underwear is private, and is in no way associated with school dress codes or violations, seeing is how they are HIDDEN,and private.

The blame should go soley to the head administration of the school, and everyone involved,and I sincerely hope that they are all jobless very soon.

The adults responsiblities are to pave the way for the next generation,and instill ethics,reason,right,and truth, and its dissapointing to know that the very classification of perversion,and pornography is known as "Adult"

it is indeed a sad day for humanity, as another percentage of the society has dropped to a new low.
  
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I agree. The administration had no right to do this. It is sexual harassment, pure and simple. If someone at a workplace did this, they would be fired, sued, and possibly in jail. If the school didn't have a skirt length in the dress code, then they are to fault there as well...


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Time to take off the water-wings of religion, sex, and self-imposed stupidity...
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I don't think anyone could make a remotely legal case that this was within a teacher's rights. However, I feel the same way about lots of things that schools get away with, so eh.


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05-02-02

Humiliating

Not that I care that much about underwear and who wears what..but this was just outright humiliating and should be set straight.


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05-02-02

UPDATE
High School Official Suspended Over Underwear Inspection

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San Diego Union-Tribune
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RANCHO BERNARDO - A high school assistant principal accused of asking students to show their underwear before entering a dance was placed on administrative leave today after district officials had weighed the "severity of the allegations and concerns of those involved."

Dozens of infuriated parents and students have demanded that the administrater, Rita Wilson, be fired, saying she violated students' rights by forcing girls and boys attending a dance to lift their clothing and expose their undergarments. The reason for the check, the district said, was to "ensure appropriate school dress."

Several girls attending the dance Friday said they were asked if they were wearing thong underwear, and told to go home and change if they were. Female and male students complained of having to lift their clothing and expose their undergarments to Assistant Principal Rita Wilson and counselor Natalie Johnson outside the gym while their peers watched. The reason, the district said, was "to ensure appropriate school dress."

"It was a violation of these kids' privacy, and very embarrassing for kids at that age," said Cindy Chappell, whose 16-year-old daughter complained that her bra was exposed while Wilson examined her tube top.

The student said she was asked whether the tube top was attached to her bra. After answering, the student said, Wilson grabbed her tube top and yanked it down, exposing most of her bra.

"I felt embarrassed because there were about 50 people standing around," Chappell's daughter said. "I didn't think I had done anything wrong."

San Diego city police Officer Greg Bisesto said that while patrolling the dance, which was attended by about 725 students, he watched Wilson force dozens of girls to lift their skirts. He said he heard Wilson ask the questions: "Are you wearing underwear? If so, is it a thong? . . . Then let me check."

"I just thought, 'Oh, my God, what is she doing?' " Bisesto said. "This is totally out of line."

Parents have been told that part of the motivation for the inspections was an incident involving partial nudity at the dance last year. The dance, called "MORP" - "prom" spelled backward - is the only informal dance at the school and is considered the wildest of the year, students said.

Students typically dress in costume to fit a theme, which this year was "Blast From the Past." Last year, some students wore loincloths for the "Jungle Fever" theme. Things got out of hand, students and parents said, and one girl took off her underwear and revealed herself on the dance floor.

While not condoning Wilson's alleged actions, school board President Penny Ranftle said: "I suspect the intent was to make sure students were more protected, in terms of being covered. But having said that, I don't think it's appropriate to ask what kind of underwear a student is wearing."

Jordan Budd, legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union for San Diego and Imperial counties, said that if the description of the night's events provided by students is accurate, "it plainly violates the privacy rights of girls and boys subjected to the searches."

Some parents have threatened to file invasion-of-privacy and sexual-harassment lawsuits against the school. Parent Alane Barnes Garvik said she will not be satisfied until Wilson and Johnson are removed.

"Those two need to be gone," said Garvik, whose daughter was asked if she was wearing a thong. "That's the only acceptable consequence. These people, as far as I'm concerned, need to be classified as sex offenders."

Garvik's sophomore daughter was forced to go home and change before she could enter the dance, although thongs are not barred in the school dress code. The code states that undergarments, including "boxers, tank-top undershirts or underwear" should not be exposed.

"I felt like they were really touching a private area," the 16-year-old said. "I didn't think they had a right to know that stuff."

Other students who asked not to be identified because they feared retaliation at school said they encountered similar treatment at the costume dance.

One 17-year-old junior said he had to lift the toga he was wearing and show the shorts he had on underneath.

"She said, 'What's under your toga?' " the student said. Johnson, the counselor, did not seem satisfied until the student raised it, he said.

During the dance, at least two people tried to stop Wilson's examinations.

Bisesto, the police officer, said he approached Assistant Principal Michael Mosgrove and asked him to talk to Wilson about her behavior. Bisesto said he does not know if Mosgrove spoke with Wilson, but he said the examinations did not stop.

A member of the school's student government, Michael Barber, said he approached a teacher at the dance, asking him to talk to Wilson, but the teacher declined.

"Teachers were our only line of defense, and when we tried to say something, nothing was taken seriously," said Barber, a senior.

Wilson, who has been working in the district since 1995, was described by students as a strict administrator who is known for enforcing the rules. As one of four assistant principals at the 3,166-student school, she oversees some disciplinary issues and organizes school events.

The district hopes to complete its investigation within a week or two, said district Communications Director Sharon Raffer.

"We are taking this seriously and want to ensure that any actions to be taken are based upon the facts of the situation," Superintendent Don Phillips said in a written statement.
  
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Humiliating

Not that I care that much about underwear and who wears what..but this was just outright humiliating and should be set straight.
I definately agree with you.


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Ok, this is really as wrong as wrong can get.

But, they keep throwing around the words "privacy rights."
Sorry, we have no privacy rights...


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We have privacy rights and it's our own responsibility to protect them.


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What privacy rights? where? I really do want to see them (no sarcasm).

I know according the US, married couples have privacy rights, and there's little stuff about needing a warrant, etc., but no other privacy rights; sexual discrimination, yes, but no right to privacy.


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What privacy rights? where? I really do want to see them (no sarcasm).

I know according the US, married couples have privacy rights, and there's little stuff about needing a warrant, etc., but no other privacy rights; sexual discrimination, yes, but no right to privacy.
Search harder. Tell me, are you afraid that one day you are going to be harrased too?


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That is wrong, incredibly wrong....I'd of lashed out or something if that happened to me.


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That is wrong, incredibly wrong....I'd of lashed out or something if that happened to me.
Indeed. A swift kick to the privates with a pair of steel-toe boots would have done these people some good.


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Girls made to show underwear at school dance - 05-09-02

I found this at CNN


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Ummm....


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05-10-02

yeah, i heard about that thing...

"no bras, no grandma undies- no dance"

i just can't believe they actually made them undress infront of people. if that woman doesn't get fired, there is something seriously wrong with our country.



excuse me, i'm going to go scream into a pillow now.

am i destined to fall as icarus did? his wings- his freedom destroyed by the one thing he longed for...



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