i was discussing with some friends about a radical idea......roughly stated, when we look at the world we see over population (which is said to at least double within our lifetime) and resources diminshing.....sooner or later, i believe, life will come to this point: those who are wortheless, those who do nothing but waste resources, are the enemy.....if we truly think about it, we see it happening today, such as inner city slums, third world countries, etc.....these areas seemingly contain people who do nothing more than waste the time and energy of others......now, i am not advocating hate speech or anything like that, but when we truly think about life's theme of survival, we must truly consider the idea that in the future, in order to preserve the whole of humanity and resources, we must reach a cut off point somewhere, where undoubtedly a number of people will be fucked.....should we decieve ourselves with ideals of morality and rights, or adhere to the fact that unless measures are taken, humanity is fucked? your thoughts?

Arh...the overpopulation issue. Some would disagree with your assumptions Six. Advocates for sterilising African women have been condemned for trying to stifle a most necessary resource. The powers that be have tried to stop the use of 'super seeds' in third world countries (which have been previously used by U.S farmers).

With the wealth of the U.S there is no reason for it's people to live in slums. How much resource do you believe they waste in consumption Six? Then tell me how much it takes to run 'Neverland'? Show me how much food is wasted in Beverley Hills. Then tell me who wastes our resources?

I believe the enemy to be big industry pumping out pollutants, oppression, greed....well greed covers it all really.

What measures do you think need taking?

what we need is a CHON factory... a la Gateway...

1,000,000 people who all have or can liquidate at least $2000. I think with 1,000,000 carefully selected like minded indivuals (in the realm of coexisting in peace and harmony with an emphasis on knowlege and compassion) could buy a country in Africa and start a new seed on this planet quite easily with their combined 2 Billion dollars !!!

Or how about 2 million people with $1000 ?

despite my ways of lurking about this site occasionally I felt I would comment here... I think in some ways what you said could be seen in a certain way... but the slums and the majority (over half of the population worldwide) of people living in third world countries are actually a firm example that this could never become a reality in itself... I mean simply look at the isolation and fear expressed toward the third world by developed nations.... the impatience and fear given towards the inner city slums where the majority of people in developed countries encourage the minorities and foriegners to live.... these are the last and only places that are still active it could be said... you hear about revolution and strike and death and hatred as well as love and happiness and education all existing in the third world while congresses and big governments and businesses pass the laws to keep it from happening in their country... the areas filled with useless people have basically become developed nations and halk a million dollar houses sitting on high hills next to golf courses... statistics show more people in these countries who do less and are worthless because they are done by the people who do not want change... of all places to look take where I live in Ohio... specifically my city... the inner city area is crowded with african americans who are unofficially and traditionally forced to live there with little hope of making something out of their lives... it is seen everywhere you look down there... this bleak sort of hopeless feeling but at the same time that is the only place that has changed the city at all... in the past five years there have been riots downtown only once or twice but business has taken a serious blow and boycotts are there in hords to bring about changes that keep happening... this is where things still exist to change the world even just a small bit... then comes another area on the outskirts of the city where all the rich businessman and councilman and even a couple famous musicians live in their houses that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars with security systems and constant cameras on the premisis... they go to their jobs and eat away more resources and breed more than anyone in the inner cities yet they are the weak... the ones who would be first to die in life's survival test as you put it... they are the immoral ones though and care nothing about the systems of human rights they try to pass through ordinances.... the system you speak of seems sort of split between the ideals being among the weak or wealthy for the most part and survival being the most important and well known to the poor and starving people of the world... that point has already been come to historically though many times... the cycle repeats only now the figures are larger... so will those who are the idealist and the consumers of all the world win or will the ones who have been fighting all their lives win....in the case of the present world I would go with whoever can find the deepest cave and throw a stone at whatever creatures remain to kill it... because there certainly wont be much left of anything based on modern cultures inevitable end however that may be... all I could think of upon reading what you wrote was the quote about how world war three would be fought with bombs and rockets but world war four would be fought with stick and stones.... none are useless when all are bound to die is the thing I guess I am getting at for everything... of course I am only rambling and just got off work so I will put this together better perhaps soon....

where do you live in ohio? i too live in ohio, near cincy.......anyway, i agree with your point, about who is truly useless.......yet, i do not think that the economic powers that be see their own as useless......

well isn't that a rather strange twist I live near Cincinnati as well... indeed the current economic power does see the third world and others as useless but the economic powers are also slowly killing themselves anyway... world economy of last century was consistantly a failing venture that has carried over into this century... the main reason why is because of the general outlook towards the ones who are poor and yet vital to the survival of lucrative economy... the economy is better when the third world is better it seems so it is all dependant upon the system of the poor being the useful and necessary ones... so it seems....

awe.....true, but would that not be a possibility as to the reasoning of the powerful to cut away resources from america's poor? perhaps, making them work harder for resources, yet still controlling their actions?

on a side note, do you know where hamilton is?

yeah that is a little over an hour away from me.... one of my aunt's is a cop there.... I live on the outskirts of the city near Mt. Washington... and that is a very interesting thought as well and very possible as well...

thats IT... you need to ship me some Skyline NOW! oo, and Graters...

you know, i don't think i've ever seen or had graters......itz ice creme right?

hai... best ice cream in the biz...

i've had it once.... it was decent I guess.... that is really odd everyone knows cincinnati's food so well though....

what i wouldnt give or sell for a good threeway (chilli, you sick bastards)...

it's sad many people in cincinnati think of the chili before the act in the threeway and how much??? I can mail a bunch frozen so it will be really good heated up!

wait, wait, wait......i got one for ya.....ever heard of geta(spelling?).....itz like rice patty sausage, or some shit.....

If you look at the direction the future is taking there are 2 types of people: those who care and thsoe who don't. Nature isn't partial to anyone. So once the shit hits the fan we're all goona be at risk (and i mean global warming, asteriods, war, disease, famine, and so on) To be honest with you i have planned my life around the predictions of 2012 when "the heavens shall rain fire" One things for sure, we have to change our lifestyle, and that means you too. You can only change yourself to set an example for others. If the angel of destruction came to you and said he would destroy the world based on how well you lived your life would he destroy it? Have you done anything yourself to save the planet or society? All we can do is put in our individual effort, if we all did that there wouldn't be a problem.

yeah my family loves goetta... I find it sick but whatever... it's pork with oats and stuff but it just looks sick... then people put katsup on it... *cringes* nasty

Everything will reach a balance sooner or later..life on earth acts as a single organism over a large period of time.

The only problem is that to reach equilibrium humanity may be destroyed but never mind.

I don't think humanity needs to be destroyed for earth to reach its equalibrium. Humanity is something of an asset to this world. We have yet to realize this. It might take some time and the loss of many llives but that is the way of change. I just hope i'm one of the few whom survive.