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Since passing restrictive gun controls in Australia, the hoplophobes have now come after the swords. Quote: Highland dancers 'hit by sword ban'
September 11, 2003
NEW controls on sword ownership in Victoria would adversely affect highland dancers, the state National Party said today.
Under proposed regulations, sword owners would have to pay a $135 registration fee, and store their sword in a safe bolted to the floor.
National Party police spokesman Bill Sykes said the change would penalise law-abiding citizens without affecting homicide rates.
"Sword collectors will no longer be able to have their swords on display, or have the family heirloom hanging on the lounge-room wall above the fireplace," Dr Sykes said.
"Children will also not be able to carry out Scottish sword dancing at country shows and highland games, unless they have obtained a permit to allow their swords in public."
| *full story* Just goes to show that the hoplophobes are lying when they say they just want 'moderate' controls. Compromise with them just a wee little bit and then they will come back for a little bit more. Their aim is to gradually ban all weapons from private ownership.
I know that many here are blade culture rather than gun culture. Well these hoplophobes will come after OUR blades once they have banned all the guns.
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Where is this bullshit being proposed anyway? They should see my room, I have my collection lined up between my mattress and the wall.
That doesn't even cover what I have in my closet and the gun in my nightstand.
This is fucking stupid though. Violent crimes are occasionally commited with swords, however; just as with gun owners it's the criminals and mentally incompetent people who are responsible. Not people who collect swords (and guns) for martial arts practice and as an object of cultural heritage.
These kind of collecters of weapons are aware of the resposibility of owning a lethal weapon and would never use a weapon in their collection to hurt someone unless in self-defence. de vagorum ordine dico vobis iura
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Originally Posted by Denalay Where is this bullshit being proposed anyway? |
This happened in Australia. I knew they just passed some very strict gun control laws a few short years ago. I did not know that they went after edged weapons until just now.
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Because of all the crimes committed at sword-point, right? When people talk of the freedom of writing, speaking or thinking I cannot choose but laugh. No such thing ever existed. No such thing now exists; but I hope it will exist. But it must be hundreds of years after you and I shall write and speak no more.
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Originally Posted by Sixgun_Symphony | Firstly.. our culture is very different. As in, it isn't common for people to have guns in the house - to the point their usually only found in farms and bush areas etc, for rabbit and possibly kangaroo control.
Though on that also.. the states of Victoria & NSW are very different aswell, in the form of criminal activity, and the normal residential... in that things like Drive By shootings, car jackings etc, - all with the use of firearms are common in Sydney,.. whereas in Melbourne, less of the Criminals use firearms.
Anyway, outside of all of that,.. to give you an idea - myself & most people I knew (growing up in White Anglo Saxon Middle Class australia), never had guns in our homes, our relatives homes, or our friends homes.
Its not common for us to want a gun.. put it that way.
Anyway.. if you liked that Six,.. you'll love this...
The Australian Federal Police - almost our version of the FBI, are currently appearing in court in NSW, on charges of growing & distribution of drugs - as in the Federal Police were setting up their own drug ring !!!
Anyway... while appearing in court, their further in trouble now, with the case being referred to the federal (national) courts, for forging a medical certificate explaining why their "star" witness cannot apear in court.
It also begs the question.. if a person is actually "sick" then, they wouldnt find the need to forge these - so I'd have to believe, their trying to protect their witness from appearing ?!? God knows, whats really going on..
Interesting Federal Police we have,.. and interesting case
but read the story.. Quote: Inquiry into 'doctored' sick notes
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A COURT asked the NSW Director of Public Prosecutions yesterday to consider a criminal investigation into the Australian Federal Police after an officer admitted staff habitually provided courts with false medical certificates to safeguard people on witness protection programs.
The AFP made the admission during a committal hearing at Sydney's Central Local Court into an alleged drug ring at which its star rollover witness was due to testify.
The hearing had been due to begin on Monday but last Friday the AFP produced a medical certificate signed by a Police Medical Officer that exempted the witness from court because he was experiencing heart problems.
The AFP last night successfully sought a suppression order on the doctor's name.
Under cross-examination this week, federal agent Ron McFadyen exposed the certificate as a fraud. He said it had been prepared primarily from his case notes and without the doctor seeing the patient or the patient's clinical records.
The notes did include a preliminary clinical assessment from an un-named doctor who left the country last Friday. Attempts to contact him had failed.
McFadyen said falsifying certificates had been considered legitimate as a means of safeguarding the witness protection program.
However, defence counsel for the four accused argued that police had been trying to protect their star witness from cross-examination.
"Is this sanctioned by the commissioner?" defence counsel Alex Howen asked.
"Yes," McFadyen replied.
Magistrate Paul Lyons referred the matter to the NSW DPP and the federal Attorney-General. He accused the AFP of misleading and deceiving the court.
He acknowledged the AFP's claimed motives, but said they did not stand up to either probity or scrutiny.
"The summary of the contents and the identity of the doctor being (attached to a) medical practice was false and the court was misled," Mr Lyons said. "Those who seek to mislead the court leave themselves open to criminal prosecution.
"The court was most unhappy with the way the medical certificate had been provided. Against that background, the court finds itself compromised."
The AFP released a statement last night defending its need to protect the national witness protection program.
It also added: "As part of our normal review of procedures, we are currently reviewing this matter."
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Originally Posted by Corporate Pig Firstly.. our culture is very different.
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Its not common for us to want a gun.. put it that way. | I know. Eloi. | |
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Corporate Pig,
I would say its more of an urban -vs- rural issue in Australia. The guys I know from Australia are hunters and shooters. We have some here in Seattle and there are some that visit the shooting forums that I frequent. They are not happy with the draconian gun laws that were passed recently. Such laws do nothing to stop crime, which has actually increased since the gun control laws went into effect.
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Just goes to show that the hoplophobes are lying when they say they just want 'moderate' controls. Compromise with them just a wee little bit and then they will come back for a little bit more. Their aim is to gradually ban all weapons from private ownership.
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In Austrialia. Not everywhere else. And its only certain ones who have done this. Etcetera. Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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Originally Posted by Sixgun_Symphony Corporate Pig,
I would say its more of an urban -vs- rural issue in Australia. The guys I know from Australia are hunters and shooters. We have some here in Seattle and there are some that visit the shooting forums that I frequent. They are not happy with the draconian gun laws that were passed recently. Such laws do nothing to stop crime, which has actually increased since the gun control laws went into effect.
Anyway, I heard it said that it can be called a police state when only the police have guns. Something to think about dude. | It is possibly a urban vs rural issue here, but either way...
I have no interest in owning a gun, nor do most people I know,...
As to Australia being a police state... hardly, America is a closer example there. "aeterna veritas" eternal truth Corporate Greed...
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Originally Posted by Corporate Pig It is possibly a urban vs rural issue here, but either way...
I have no interest in owning a gun, nor do most people I know,...
As to Australia being a police state... hardly, America is a closer example there. | Police state?
It is one thing for an individual to not want a gun. Its something else again when the state forbids it for everone.
BTW, I am curious as to who you know. Do you socialize outside of the coffeehouse marxist scene? Do all your friends wear ponytails and birkinstocks?
Have you ever lived outside of the city you grew up in?
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Originally Posted by Sixgun_Symphony Just goes to show that the hoplophobes are lying when they say they just want 'moderate' controls. Compromise with them just a wee little bit and then they will come back for a little bit more. Their aim is to gradually ban all weapons from private ownership. | Hmm...not all those in favor of "moderate" controls want to ban all weapons- I hope that's not what you meant.
That said, the whole thing seems ridiculous in that, even if you believe that there is a widespread sword-based crime threat (chuckle), the people committing said crimes will not be the ones following the rules. It's the same argument I have against banning guns (except of course for the threat thing - guns do pose a large threat). My dearest friend, if you don't mind
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Originally Posted by Sixgun_Symphony Police state?
It is one thing for an individual to not want a gun. Its something else again when the state forbids it for everone. | First of all...
There are many characteristics which would be used to describe a Police state - some of which are evident in both the US & Australia today.
This though does not actually mean either are a 'Police state' so to speak. Quote:
BTW, I am curious as to who you know. Do you socialize outside of the coffeehouse marxist scene? Do all your friends wear ponytails and birkinstocks?
Have you ever lived outside of the city you grew up in?
Just asking here.
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2 : one who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy
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I lived in LA (USA) for 3 months when I was 7..
I lived in Adelaide for 6 months when I was about 9 yrs old.
I lived in Sydney (Aust) for 6 months while working - at age 21..
and then returned to the place I felt most comfortable in.
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| what, are you trying to work out if I "associate" with undesirable characters ?
So who do U Know ?
In a country like Australia, with a polulation of approx 24 Million...
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swift_epiphany,
Guns don't pick themselves up and shoot people. Its only people that have murderous intent.
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There are many people like you in all the cities of the Western World. Usually reek of patchouli oil and congregate in coffeeshops near the college campuses.
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Originally Posted by Sixgun_Symphony swift_epiphany,
Guns don't pick themselves up and shoot people. Its only people that have murderous intent.
Guns are a good thing when in the hands of good people. | I know that. I think you missed my point - which was simply that guns are more of a public threat than swords, that's all. Maybe I didn't phrase it well? My dearest friend, if you don't mind
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