No wonder you never talk about anything relevant to everyday living

Oh well.

So, from an analytical standpoint, saying someone is better off self-realized and in prison or about to be executed basically ignores and devalues the fact that someone is dead and has lost the chance to become self-realized themself, you're putting more value on the self-realization of the murderer than on the self-realization of the victim.

Let's see some justification for that.

well, i can't say that........the self-realized has to say that, and only he can say that per se.............itz kind of like camus' idea pertaining to suicide....he said: to everyone else, we view those who commit suicide as not understanding life, not being able to cope with it....yet, the sucider is so convinced of life, and knows it so well, that he feels it no longer worth living.........

there is one basic truth: you are you, and only you, and you know you exist, and that is it............

Solypsism.

Except those of us living in reality have to deal with eachother on a daily basis. Truth may not be absolute, but saying that nothing is true is demonstratively false because people can easily agree on all sorts of things and do thousands on times a day.

that is.....for lack of a better word.....true......

So, are you going to answer why the self-realization of the murderer is more valuable than the self-realization of the victim, or are you done?

i can't answer that question.....how could i? i mean it is good that the murderer self-realizes himself just the same as the victim does himself........what is there to answer? whatz your answer....maybe i can understand the question a bit better

I don't have to answer, I'm the one saying that the self-realizations of the two, if important at all, are of equal importance.

You are the one who implied that one had more value than the other. You're the one who has to either prove the statement or admit that you were wrong.

no, you changed what i said around......i didn't say anything that one's self-realization is worth more than the others self-realization......all i said was that self-realization is better than non-self-realization

Well, so what?

so, thatz the utmost evil............killing yourself is far worse than killing another.....survival of the fiddest shows us that.......as does existentialism.....

So I didn't really turn it around, sixx, I just put it in context to reality. In context to reality, it doesn't work.

wheres your proof?

Saying that killing someone else is justified by self-realization means nothing. There's no guarantee that killing anyone is going to allow you to self-realize. And in your own post, you've said that suicide shows confidence in one's belief about the world.

thatz not what i'm aiming at either......he who does not have any self-realization is the most evil person.......avoid the killing topic, that was just an example for some other point.......the point is, that self-realization could be wrong, unjustified even........but not realizing the self is extremely wrong to the self, not to others, but to the self......

So what?

Unless you can show that self-realization is so much better than self-denial that it makes murder justified, then it is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

existentialism!!!!!!!!

...that doesn't mean anything to me. I mean, I know what existentialism is, but so what? What are you trying to get at?

well, this is an existential thread........is it worse to deny the self? or worse to accept the self? an existentialist (which i am) would argue that it is worse.......

accepting yourself doesn't mean killing people.

didn't say it did.....accepting yourself could mean being a humanitarian just the same as a hate-mongrel