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On facism. - 01-15-04

Oddly enough I've noticed that Neo-conservatives fit the criteria frighteningly well.

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01-15-04

From M-W.

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality -- J. W. Aldridge>
- fas·cist /-shist also -sist/ noun or adjective, often capitalized
- fas·cis·tic /fa-'shis-tik also -'sis-/ adjective, often capitalized
- fas·cis·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb, often capitalized


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01-15-04

Funnily enough, this covers the British Empire.


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01-15-04

So, those neo-nazi fascists who make up all those anti-federal survivalist militias in the southern states of the US - they're all socialists really then?

I'll give you a dollar if you go up to one of them and tell them that. Hell, make it $10. And have someone film it from a fast car a long way away for me.



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01-15-04

It seems odd than that the Nazi's also practiced genocide against socialist groups namely the Soviet Union against who many terrible attrocities were commited.
You have clearly not learned a thing from history. Adolf Hitler was a master demagogue who used the widely supported idea of a socialist revolution by claiming that he would bring an era of socialism in order to help gain power over the German populace.


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01-16-04

Darth Denalay. Has a nice ring to it.


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01-16-04

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It seems odd than that the Nazi's also practiced genocide against socialist groups namely the Soviet Union against who many terrible attrocities were commited.
Not odd at all. The less the real difference in ideology, the fiercer the battle. Cf: Sunni and Shi'ite.

The Nazis knew who their real rivals were, and exterminated their direct competition the way a mafia family wipes out a rival family.
  
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01-16-04

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Hitler is the root of your beliefs. Give up on the dark side, and step towards freedom.
I am not a facist, nor a communist. I am free.


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01-18-04

No inside of my own mind. I can question my thoughts and assertions.


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01-19-04

Quote:
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... I can question my thoughts and assertions.
something unfortunately that JLB is unable to do...


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01-19-04

My point exactly.


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01-21-04

Economic parallels can be also drawn between Nazi Germany and the current administration.

Nazi Germany adopted a populist but unsustainable economic deficit that allowed it to appear all things to all people - this is why perfectly credible comparisons can be drawn between both socialist economic systems and ultra-capitalist systems. Meltdown was only ever averted by annexing and invading other countries and grabbing their reserves to tide the country through to the next invasion.

The Bush administration had adopted an unsustainable economic deficit that results in growth but which, without spending cuts, will actually increasingly weaken the economy and the dollar's pre-eminent position. Now, I don't personally believe that the invasion of Iraq bears many parallels to Nazi expansionism, not least because it will take a great deal more than Iraqi oil contracts to dig the US out of its debts, but it does make one wonder.
  
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01-22-04

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Yet I am your teacher.
. . . There's that homo-eroticism again. You're not going to ask us to start referring to you as "Daddy" anytime soon are you?


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01-22-04

I think "Old fart" sounds most appropriate.


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Nazi Germany adopted a populist but unsustainable economic deficit that allowed it to appear all things to all people - this is why perfectly credible comparisons can be drawn between both socialist economic systems and ultra-capitalist systems.
Except the excesses of the US gov't right now have nothing to do with capitalism and indeed are a retreat away from capitalism and towards the corporatist welfare state.

The Bush administration had adopted an unsustainable economic deficit that results in growth but which, without spending cuts, will actually increasingly weaken the economy and the dollar's pre-eminent position.

Key phrase: "results in growth." It is not clear what will happen, but pro-growth policies increase the economy's strength, thus increasing tax revenues. This is classic supply side. Note that everyone was saying the same things about Reagan 20 years ago and John F Kennedy 20 years before that: you can't lower taxes in times of increased growth of government! It's counterintuitive, you have to raise taxes!

Yet the lowered tax rates spurred growth and tax revenues increased. After Reagan's tax cuts, there was no reduction in the size of the federal budget at all, yet the US went from deficit to surplus just due to increased revenues.

Now, I don't personally believe that the invasion of Iraq bears many parallels to Nazi expansionism, not least because it will take a great deal more than Iraqi oil contracts to dig the US out of its debts, but it does make one wonder.

The Iraqi war and aftermath are guaranteed to cost the US far more that it ever recoups. That'sa because this isn't "conquest" but rather liberation. The US paid money to fight the war, to reconstruct the country, and unlike actual conquerers, will not plunder Iraqi oil. That's why the prattle about "imperialism" is nonsense. The US liberates, then leaves. We do not annex.

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