well it had me turned on, but that's off topic

If killing is wrong, why do so many die before their time...
If pedophilia is wrong, then why does it still exist...?

There is no such thing as a "basic" moral code. The only thing "basic" we have is our instinct, bent on survival, en procreation...

which is were we can say pedophilia is against nature since it is the sexual exploitation of non-reproductive members of society.

Yet created by our drive to reproduce... Not that it is not illogical, but then again, what of reality is logical.

there is a differance between getting horny over a pretty young thing and raping an 8 year old...

In essence, there is not. They are created by the same drive: the wish to have sex.

hundreds of years ago an eight year old bride was rather common place for men...it's only with recent times the need for controlling and keeping innocence around that it became wrong to even consider anything sexual before the age of consent(usually marriage) I don't agree with encouraging the sexual nature of young children, i see nothing sexual about that youth...but i guess it's a matter of taste, i find curves, dominance and bulges arousing...children have none of those.

that is where i disagree... one is about hormones and (to me) the other is about dominance...

Jordyn, I totally agree with you. Women had a definate standing in many ancient cultures. The written word of 'god' seems to have had a major hand in altering their status for the worse...damn us to hell.

"which is were we can say pedophilia is against nature since it is the sexual exploitation of non-reproductive members of society."

"that is where i disagree... one is about hormones and (to me) the other is about dominance... " this would apply to 8 yo brides, paedophilia, rape, killing and a swag of others. Thanks Errantrogue.

Aeternus,...so men's "Drive to have sex" dominates all reason and causes them to run around indiscriminately trying to stick their dicks in anything? Animals don't even do that.

and now it's my turn to agree with you.

I did not say I did agree with it. But yes, to some, the "drive to have sex" does dominate all reason. Nowadays such is considered a sexual or mental disorder. As for sticking dicks in anything, well... each has one's preference, but with knowing annimalism, pedophilia, homophilia, necrophilia... all those things exist... So I think in essence, you are right about that one.

SOME men have done a lot of grossed out things but we don't then attribute it as a 'normal' trait because it exists.

I believe we were not speaking "normal" (abstract as that is), but why the abnormal occurs.

and the 'abnormal' occurs because of ?....some mens irrational sex drives?...it does make sense, I think.

Indeed. And it is not restricted to men, those irrational sex drives. One can argue a drive for sex in itself is not rational, but that is another discussion...

I've never known of a woman's clitoris to rule her head.

Oh, I can assure you, there are numerous women obsessed with sex...

yeah, but we don't let it rule us!

... what a pity