There is alot of ignorance and fear from Neon in that rant about handguns.

This guy does not know of what he speaks.

I live in a state where a law abiding citizen can get a CCW, and I carry a revolver much of the time. I KNOW the facts of the issue because I live them everyday.

You know your own life in the US. That doesn't mean you know the facts of the "issue".

Neons post smacks more of truth, and he's a barrister for goodness sake.

The very fact that you make these two statements in the same post is just silly.

"people are more likely to be mugged, burgled, robbed or assaulted here [the UK] than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa or any other of the world's 20 largest nations."

"The UN reports also shows that England and Wales are the second-worst places in the world for assaults, with 851 people assaulted per 100,000, and seventh for burglaries and car theft, with 1,579 burglaries per 100,000 population."

These are raw statistics, they could be used to say that England and Wales have a far superior method of identifingy crime and that is refleced in our statistics but crime is higher in other countries, but not reported as crime. You can make a whole lot of "full of shit" statements with raw statistics.

A barrister of a legal system that has outlawed self defense against violent muggers, burglars, and rapists.

That does say alot about Neon...

As far as reporting goes, there has been rumblings that the labor government has been under reporting the crime so as to hide the fact that they are weak on the law & order issues.
Could be that a large part of the traditional voting base for Labour comes from this criminal underclass.

I think the fact that our legal system has a ninth of the homicide rates speaks louder though. Your own arguement says that you know what you live so I'll just ignore the rest of your statement regarding Labour because its made out of complete and utter ignornance.

Yep four times.... sorry I was thinking still of the nine times statement..... some of the worst crime rates in the US are in states which do not have right to carry laws..... new york and california to mention two.... if you look at states here which have right to carry laws you will notice a huge difference in crime statistics.... yet no matter what the laws are you are going to always have violent crimes occur.... this is typical of high density population areas..... if someone becomes desperate enough to steal from another they are going to do it regardless of consequences..... mainly because they are not thinking of consequences.... if they have to use a knife to do it because a firearm is not available they will....

Even though I produced the stats to show that they can be manipulated, I'm still sure that guns are part of the 9 times stat (if only a small part), but there is always a price on the extra freedom of carrying firearms, which whilst I disagree with the worth of this extra freedom I don't have a problem with it, it is your countries choice although I'd say they should be banned in my opinion. Interestingly enough, the pop. density is far higher in the UK, take a look at this, although this is just for interest, I understand higher pop. density per city, I'm just showing the raw statistics in this case, no point other than curiosity.

(apologies on the date disparancies, just a quick put together)

lets not forget the obvious... the US is Far from being racially homogenous or culturally homogenous. Which breeeds a LOT of differences between people. anyone whos walked through the streets in NY manhatten, Queens, Bronx, Harlem, brooklyn, FLushing etc knows that its like walking into seperate small countries with thier own sets of rules and languages.

Labour is socialist.

The socialists created the welfare state so as to breed a large voting base for themselves. Losers and misfits living on the public dole are overpopulating Britain, thus we see an increase in crime and other social decay.

*Agrees*


Yes, Six...the evil socialists, making their welfare state so they can share what they have with those who have not. Maybe you should look at your little story in Politics and realize how stupid you are now. Conservatives share? *LMAO*

Population density really does play a big role in crime...

If you knew anything about polictics then you should know that Labour dropped Clause 4 before they were in government, and Clause 4 was what made them Socialist. Besides, didn't see the Conservative party getting rid of benefits in their 14 year stint in government now did we?

No-one is over-populating Britain, the entire population could live comfortably in the amount of land Scotland has. In fact England is a largely rural country, if we were over populated there would have been several forests cut down now. In Britian we have a whole 0.2% higher unemployment rate because we lost several industries like ship-building and steelworking. You'll never guess who killed those industries.... not Socialists Sixgun, but Conservatives, a lady called Margeret Thatcher to be exact.

To not have a welfare state is nothing to do with Conservative and Socialist parties, its humanitarianism. That's why in every country that has one (the ones who are rich and powerful) whenever the government changes, the welfare system isn't scraped and then recreated depending on which party is in power, in fact the difference in most governmental parties is to slightly alter it to fit their own ideals of welfare.

Come back and argue a point when you know a little background to the issue you want to discuss, thank you.

Or Hunters Point San Francisco, ChinaTown,SF.... etc ad nauseum...... nobody shares the same beliefs here.... some are fervently for gun ownership and some are against.... niether belief system is stupid..... nor is Six-Gun stupid for his beliefs.... perhaps he is a bit hardheaded.... yet it was not soft heartedness that won the US its ""freedoms""....

so only call six-gun stupid if you wish to be seen as such yourself..... and that goes for six-gun also.... disagreement makes the world go around.....

Live together in Scotland?

That reminds me of the people who say that that the world's population could all fit inside of Texas....






The problem of course with most conservatives is that they are beholden to religious interests. A welfare state can not really ever be scrapped until birth control and sterilizations can be encouraged by the state.

A monetary reward to drug addicts and habitual criminals for their voluntary sterilization would greatly reduce crime and poverty.

BTW... Hard working people can fall on hard times for awhile, but its the lazy parasites that make a career out of living on the public dole

Well, maybe it could...but it'd be very tight...

i take it then that since youre so worried about over population that you wont be having any children right?

The entire population of Britain could fit on the isle of wight, the entire population of England could live in Scotland.

Speaking of "over-population".

Here's a News Story for you:

This can be found at http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html

So not even condoms? Next thing you know, they'll attack Trojan and the condom companies here in the US...then where will I be? I hadn't realized that Bush was so against this stuff. That's a bunch of bullshit. Who's this jackass Texan to decide what guys and girls can do with each other?

There is NO OTHER WAY that these people can control their population unless mass contraceptives are used. They're asking, no, BEGGING for the population explosion by doing this.