If I have my info correct (and it came from a source that's usually reliable):

Companies that do import Middle Eastern oil thereby putting money directly into the pockets of those who are trying to kill us:
Shell
Chevron
Texaco
Exxon
Mobil
Marathon
Amoco

Companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil who will get my business:
Citgo
Sunoco
Conoco
Sinclair
BP/Phillips
Hess

This makes the assumption that the only people who want to kill us are in the Middle East, and that everyone in the Middle East fits under this category.

Uh-huh, and no doubt that you believe that "Islam is a religion of peace".

Sure we got enemies the world over and at home. But the fact is that a resurgent Islam has decreed the USA to be "THE GREAT SATAN".

You can't sweep that under the carpet, so forget about the "PC sensitivity" crap.

How about "forgetting about what we're actually talking about" crap?

Even ignoring your attempt to demonize Islam, neither yours nor mine post mentioned Islam in anyway. They both only referred to the Middle East.

Though I find it sort of funny that many of the ones on the "Middle-East" list are also some of the biggest polluters...such as Exxon-Mobile (Esso).

Anyway, Six, you are generalizing. Its the extremists who want to kill us...the small group who ruins it for the larger body. DM is right...you're operation like its only the Middle East who wishes to kill us, and that EVERYONE in the Middle East wishes to kill us. Has Dubya brainwashed you so badly?

You guys and gals are like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

Someone who uses colorful metaphors as a way of avoiding adressing points that have been raised is like a donkey with a spinning wheel.

sixgun, you really are narrow minded...

Fact is that the Islamic Fundamentalists have been getting much of their money from the Saudi Royals.

We buy their oil and the Saudis then give some of that money to groups like Al Qaida. This has been discussed by many commentaters from across the political spectrum.

If anything, Bush and the rest of the Neo-conservatives wish to sweep this all under the carpet and keep it business as usual. Remember the first words out of Bush were "Islam is a religion of peace" right after the 911 attacks. Pretty weak if you ask me.

There have been the many suicide attacks against Americans and Jews by Islamic Fundamentalists since the early 1980's. There was the takeover of the US embassy in Iran back in 1979 by Islamic mobs led by the Ayatollah Khomeini. I am sure you must have forgotten the first attacks on the World Trade Center by muslims about ten years ago.

There is also the many wars going on everywhere in the world that Islam borders another culture. Central Asia, Philipenes, Indonesia, Africa, and the Balkans.
BTW, it was the muslims and not the Serbs who started the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo.

What we have is a resurgant Islam and things are just getting warm. It was like this when Islam first started to take over much of the medieval world before the Crusades slowed them down a bit.



I think you already know much of this, but are just too conditioned by PCism to admit what you already know.

It's statements like this that take away from your credibility:

"You guys are just too conditioned by PCism to admit what you already know."

"Fact is that..."

I suggest taking a gander at the logical fallacies thread.

Actually it is true that the terrorists have been getting much of their funding from Saudi Arabia.

Again, they know what is going on, but their PC conditioning will not let them critisize an enemy. Its always blame America first.

"It is true" or "Fact is that" are not statements that will convince me of viability. I'd rather proof than your say so that it is true. And I don't criticize "my" enemies (aren't they the enemies of the country, not me in particular?) because it's quite obvious that I am against the already dead terrorists that caused the bombing and the still alive members that orchestrated the attacks. My problem comes from what is currently a reminder of McArthy; call someone a terrorist and the public believes you.

It's easier to criticize the US government because I know more about it. If I lived in another country, I'd probably despise their government just as much.

Why on Earth would the Saudi Royals want to support Al-Quaeda? Al-Quaeda's success would mean their downfall. That's why they banished Bin Laden. So you have no proof, and no motive. You can point out a few isolated instances, but that's it. And please, kindly inform me of these "wars" that are going on in Indonesia, or Tunisia, or Morroco, or Turkey.

You really gotta bear with him...exaggeration and fuzzy logic are big parts of the personalities of many conservatives...

Dearie, saying that the middle east wants to kill us is like saying every american is like bush and i doubt most of us are...and even then there are people who hate this country people who don't give and damn and so forth what makes you think everyone in the middle east believes in islam dear god boy thing about the people around you...just because their countries are run by a religion or such of the like does not mean that they have to believe in it. is everyone in america a brainwashed flag waving nationalist? i don't think so dearie...there are many who see otherwise. think about that before you speak.

DeirdreMayfair,

You need to take a look at the news reports of the "Arab Street" sometime. Also take a look at the Islamic fundamentalist political parties that have been making gains all across much of the Islamic world. Even in Turkey we see the Islamic parties are making gains.

BTW, the Saudi's have been financing much of this. Its been on the news and our government is trying to work with the moderates there to end this. But I doubt that anything will really change until we stop buying their oil.

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were massacred by:
a. Olga Korbut
b. Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenneger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. During the 1980s a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davie Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

6. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. The Great Pumpkin
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation villain: "Mustapha the Merciless"
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c. Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. In 2001 the United States began to fight a war in Afghanistan
against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonny and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling!

White, middle-aged males are by far the most likely demograph to be a serial killer. Therefore, whenver a serial killer is on the loose, all white, middle-aged males should have to go through special security checks, cavity searches, and endure the uneducated accusations of internet flame-trolls with too much time on their hands.

Ding ding ding ding! DM wins the quiz!