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neonwraith · 09-25-02

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Again, I owe you no evidence. Your pride is not important to me. What is important is the trust others have shown. It matters not to me if you believe me or not. When it comes to the confidence of others, proving it to you is hardly important.

Then DOn't make claims. If you don't have the power to justify claims, then don't make them. Only when I can PROVE I have a case do I proceed. You say the blood of the lamb is victorious and you recieved oh so many DF eimails/pm's whatever yet you are afraid to show them even to an honnest 3rd party. I call you Liar

Yes, I understand the difference Neon whether you believe that or not.

You claim you do see the difference in this matter, I'll let this one rest..... But you have not dipsorved that politics and power go hand in hand with religion

That changes in no way the fact that I was making a simple observation. For you to go to such lengths as to open your private information to all the public only reinforces the fact that you are a narcissist.

WHAT? I open my private infomration to the public to show my hands are clean and open. Most people here knew most of this info anyway. You accuse my of narccism yet do not even accept the posiblity you could be wrong. It Also prevents you from amking perosnal attacks on my status because when you look for me there I will eb staring back at you, real honnest and true. A man who puts evidence and truth were his claims go and man who when asked justifies everything he is saying with evidence, or recants his statement. Recant your statement or I brand you liar again!

That is exactly my point.

See, you cna't make a real world case and without evidence you have NO RIGHT to preach. You might be wrong in your arrogance you could be leading 10's 100's 1000's of people to their fate when we discover the Mormons or the Muslims we're right all along.

You are once again showing yourself the master of assumption. You do not stop. I told you I have asked many, many questions, these included. I asked as many questions as I could think of Neon, yet you refuse to believe.

I present evidence to justify my rationale and you say it is mere asusmption. Prove evidence to show that christianity being rigfht is not mere assumption!

That is your choice.

Homosexuals are sinners because we are all sinners Neon. This has been pointed out to you. You must recognize that homosexuals are in no special classification of sinners. They are sinners because they are humans.

Yet if they did no other wrong or wished to repent for everything else but being gay they would still be damned?

How were they “empty and hollow preaching”?

That's an easy one, They were hollow and empty because they had no impact on the real world. They meant nothing to those who read them. They did not use simily or annacdote. They did not provide evidence or proof. They were simply the same old regurgitated scripture or god-sales talk with no possible anchor to the real world

We have all committed wrong Neon. It is called sin. There is not one person alive that has not been born with the sin nature. You don't have to teach a child to be bad Neon. We have to instruct them on how to do good.

Yet we don't punish it for liking to ride it's bike, or prefering certain type of music over antoher. Homosexuality is THAT fundamental.

It is very simple Neon. You use your act of free will to not choose Him. For He is the only True way for eternal Life.

Yet if we do not choose him he will damn us. Ego and vanity of the worst sort. He wants people to follow him and him alone but he wants them to CHOOSE to follow him and will punish everyone who doesn't. Can't you see how sick and twisted that is. I'll give you a worldly equivilent. I am a tyrant in total control of a country. I could simply force an Election to come out in my favour. However that's not what I want. I wan't people to CHOOSE to vote for me. Those that do not will be kept alive for as long as possible and be tortured and in eternal pain all the way.

He loves you enough that you can see it in whatever way you freely choose to see it. You won’t be damned until you are dead. And it will be a result of your free will to see it the way you do.

Only at which point will I have enough evidence to show me which way is the right one.

You are obsessed with the homosexual lifestyle and as said before need to recuse yourself from this argument for you cannot argue objectionably. Homosexuals do harm to every single person they have sex with when they carry within themselves the disease(s) wrought by the lifestyle they freely choose to live. In committing these acts, they pass death from themselves to each person they have had sex with. Spreading aids and other diseases is not an act of malice? Yes, they are simply being what the are…sinners. Just as you and I are…sinners. Yes, they will be damned for it just as all unrepentant sinners will be. More evidence of a God who is wholly Just. Do you consider aids to be a “noble” disease to be worn as a badge of honor?

Cna someone get me a lepers bell for the gay? You Ignorant Facist. Not ALL gay men have AIDS, Gay men are responsible for more AIDS and safesex awareness then any other group in the world. Chrisitans however in the form of those gorups which ban contraception also cause epople to spread the disease far more readily. Had the pope or other religious leaders accepted Contraception ealrier, then the AIDS epidemic in Africa and South America, would be nowhere near as advanced. Although their promiscuity is asusmed to be the cause and the numbers in the Gay community is higher then elsewhere in the civilised world, it is beleived that straight people in Africa origionally contracted the disease. Had contraception not been taboo out there maybe it would have been restricted to a few isolated cases. You claim I am Biased yet do not see your own agenda. Another sign of ignorance. At least i have the balls to Admit it.

Of course I can match you Neon. Your pride is amazing. Any time you go to the Hospital, there is a good chance it was founded by a Christian organization or one particular Christian.
Any time you go by a homeless shelter, there is a good chance it was founded by a Christian organization or a particular Christian.
Any time you pass by a charity, there is a good chance it was founded by a Christian organization or a particular Christian.
Do these things not effect you in the here and now?

What about those ofunded by Muslims in the west or the Buddhists or the Jews. What about those founded recently. The question you have to ask is WHY did they do it. Because the genuinely cared or because they wanted to get in good with god? Bribery as oppsed to compassion.

This is exactly my point with your constant grumblings about homosexuals.

Prove to me they are not worthy of compassion. Prove to me god is right therefore the bible is right and they SHOULD be vilfied. Give me a divine revelation which will allow me to see faith over reason and compassion. In short disprove that my points are invalid and prove them in a way that everyone here will agree with! I may not I still think they deserve a fair crack of the whip.

The act of sex is a choice Neon. If it is truly not a choice, then please explain how people are choosing to leave the lifestyle. They CHOOSE to leave. Just like they CHOSE to join.

Did you actually read my post on disillusioned teens or like everyhting Else I've presented to you as evidence to prove my point did you just ignore it?

Not a bad idea if it will keep you from eternal torment. You have a problem with that though.

Yes but I can evidence murders, I can evidence crime. I can evidence the reasoning of nearly every law in the criminal stute. I can't evidence god.

Yes, the liberal left wing special interest groups agree with you.. Again, what more evidence do you need?
It is now sounding like you have a personal reason to have this vendetta against Christians. [/color]

And all who teach inequality, ignorance and vilfication over compassion and understanding. I have my words with my Mulsim friends form time to time and we argue ove rthier treatment of woemn and Homosexuals. Why don't you pick on muslims, Afro-carribeans or Women. Why is it because they have legally protected rights of equality even when the bible firmly judges their place too?

So now answer my questions. There are many differences in thoughts because we are not perfect. We are sinners still. There are also those like myself who believe in the principle of sola scriptura, which recognizes Scripture alone as the supreme authority, and then there are those, both Catholic and Protestant who do not. Also there is disagreement of important but secondary issues such as God’s sovereignty and man’s freedom, The Lord’s Supper, Church and state issues, baptism and eschatology. These are things that we debate about in the family. We should not divide over them. Unfortunately we sometimes do.

You forgot to ask A question!

Of course.

What questions did you ask?

Then why do you use such “derogatory terms” such as “ignorant” when referring to Christians.
I don’t care that you do. I am just pointing out your double standard.

[color=skyblue] You have a fair point there, I can't bring up this point if I'm not willing to stick to it myself [COLOR]

You are a man of pride Neon. You will be judged by your own words and receive just punishment you deserve by freely choosing you over Him.

I actually hope the bible is right about there being a god of infinate mercy. Because I'll see you in heaven, for all the acts of malice i have committed I knowlgy repent and regret them every day. But a good of Mercy would not damn me for having compassion.

You are shown compassion just by being alive this very night Neon. But in your pride and arrogance you cannot even begin to understand that simple act of mercy and love.
You will not even try.

Mercy. I have shown more mercy in accepting Homsexuals for who they are and what they ar ethen you EVER could. Love. I love all people irrespective of what they have done. Unlike CHrisitans I do not love only the pure. I do not love only those who bleive in my faith. I embrace difference. You have the audacity to say I do not know compassion love and mercy yet berate me for trying to enforce my corner of the world to show the barest minimum of respect to a minority.... That is something which has brightened up my day. I bet you don't even see the joke do you.

Neon

coldandsilent · 09-26-02

im gonna say this one more time...if all humans are sinners and god made us.....then he made sin so he sinned or it could be sin is just as old as him so he's not all powerful

coldandsilent · 09-26-02

wow more name calling.....this is showing brains now...pshh

and unstaind....if you owe no evidence then we dont as well for why we disagree and almost laugh at these for you not fallowing through with what your point is so if your gonna be a messenger stop acting like you're better then us for you "knowing" what you said

neonwraith · 09-26-02

I have asked questions which make sense and acepted that fiath can not be proven tangilby. Yet I have asked the question why would a merciful all powerful god all 1000 booby trapped doors of religon when door 1001 was the only way out.

What proof have we that any of these doors are the right one.

Neon

Unstained · 10-02-02

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Originally posted by neonwraith

Then DOn't make claims. If you don't have the power to justify claims, then don't make them. Only when I can PROVE I have a case do I proceed. You say the blood of the lamb is victorious and you recieved oh so many DF eimails/pm's whatever yet you are afraid to show them even to an honnest 3rd party. I call you Liar

Neon, I am free to make whatever claims I wish. I have said repeatedly you are owed no proof nor shall you ever, without permission of those involved get it. No one involved cares about your desires to have proof. This is an intensely personal matter of which you are the least of importance. Call me a liar. That is your choice.

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Originally posted by neonwraith
You claim you do see the difference in this matter, I'll let this one rest..... But you have not dipsorved that politics and power go hand in hand with religion

There is nothing to disprove Neon. Another reason why I question if you are reading my replies to you. I have said many many times that "religion" in itself can sometimes be horrible and I have agreed with you on many aspects of the flaws of "religion".

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Originally posted by neonwraith
WHAT? I open my private infomration to the public to show my hands are clean and open. Most people here knew most of this info anyway. You accuse my of narccism yet do not even accept the posiblity you could be wrong. It Also prevents you from amking perosnal attacks on my status because when you look for me there I will eb staring back at you, real honnest and true. A man who puts evidence and truth were his claims go and man who when asked justifies everything he is saying with evidence, or recants his statement. Recant your statement or I brand you liar again!

Call me liar twice then Neon. It is your choice. I accepted ALL the possibilities of being wrong before I made my choice to follow Christ. You are now beginning to sound more like a person in need of acceptance than a professional who seeks to offer a "service".

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Originally posted by neonwraith

See, you cna't make a real world case and without evidence you have NO RIGHT to preach. You might be wrong in your arrogance you could be leading 10's 100's 1000's of people to their fate when we discover the Mormons or the Muslims we're right all along.

Oh you could not be more wrong...yet I will hold my tongue. You see Neon, here in the United States we have free speech. We are free to preach. We have the right to do so. Anyone has the right to lead how ever many people that want to follow in whichever direction they choose to go.

It is a wonderful thing called freedom. And I cherish it.

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Originally posted by neonwraith

I present evidence to justify my rationale and you say it is mere asusmption. Prove evidence to show that christianity being rigfht is not mere assumption!

In all honesty Neon, this is a topic for it's very own thread. And it is being prepared.

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Originally posted by neonwraith

Yet if they did no other wrong or wished to repent for everything else but being gay they would still be damned?

Every single person who wishes forgiveness, must repent of all sin Neon, irregardless of what it is. SIN IS SIN. There is no special classification for any sin over another. Yet, as I have stated, certain sins hold greater consequences to the body, mind and soul as we live out our lives here on earth.

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Originally posted by neonwraith
That's an easy one, They were hollow and empty because they had no impact on the real world. They meant nothing to those who read them. They did not use simily or annacdote. They did not provide evidence or proof. They were simply the same old regurgitated scripture or god-sales talk with no possible anchor to the real world

What evidence do you have that they made no impact on the real world? Are you now claiming omniscience? How do you know they meant nothing to those that read them? Omniscience again? Or perhaps more of your own brand of narcissism run amok one more time. You cannot handle the fact that God can and does use simple things as encouragement can you Neon? They were Scripture? Are you willing to show the evidence of this which you claim I offered to the reading masses? In this instance it is YOU Neon, who could very easily be called the liar. Oh wait, you gave yourself a clever out for you said OR god-sales talk. Nice move counselor.

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Originally posted by neonwraith

Yet we don't punish it for liking to ride it's bike, or prefering certain type of music over antoher. Homosexuality is THAT fundamental.

The act of homosexuality is a choice. It is THAT fundamental.

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Originally posted by neonwraith
Yet if we do not choose him he will damn us. Ego and vanity of the worst sort. He wants people to follow him and him alone but he wants them to CHOOSE to follow him and will punish everyone who doesn't. Can't you see how sick and twisted that is. I'll give you a worldly equivilent. I am a tyrant in total control of a country. I could simply force an Election to come out in my favour. However that's not what I want. I wan't people to CHOOSE to vote for me. Those that do not will be kept alive for as long as possible and be tortured and in eternal pain all the way.

The problem is you are attempting to give a worldly equivalent to matter of spiritual sovereignty. God cannot force us to follow Him Dyshade. That would not allow free will. You are free to choose Him and in turn choose eternal life. You are free to reject Him and in turn choose eternal damnation. It is indeed your choice. It always will be until the day you are dead. At that time the choice will have been made.

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Originally posted by neonwraith
Only at which point will I have enough evidence to show me which way is the right one.

It is your choice to take the evidence given you through all your life and tell God that it wasn't enough.

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Originally posted by neonwraith

Cna someone get me a lepers bell for the gay? You Ignorant Facist. Not ALL gay men have AIDS, Gay men are responsible for more AIDS and safesex awareness then any other group in the world. Chrisitans however in the form of those gorups which ban contraception also cause epople to spread the disease far more readily. Had the pope or other religious leaders accepted Contraception ealrier, then the AIDS epidemic in Africa and South America, would be nowhere near as advanced. Although their promiscuity is asusmed to be the cause and the numbers in the Gay community is higher then elsewhere in the civilised world, it is beleived that straight people in Africa origionally contracted the disease. Had contraception not been taboo out there maybe it would have been restricted to a few isolated cases. You claim I am Biased yet do not see your own agenda. Another sign of ignorance. At least i have the balls to Admit it.

Did I say that all gay men have aids? Did I? Please show me where I did state that ALL gay men have aids. Hurry now. I'll wait.

Yet it is gay men who pass along the aids virus is it not? Of course they are not the only members of society to do so. Yet gay men do and it is an unavoidable fact. If they and all people would choose to control their impulses and instead choose abstinence, we would not have this problem at all now would we? Abstinence is not a difficult concept is it Neon? It is the BEST form of "contraception". Perhaps if they practiced abstinence even in Africa there would be no need for this discussion then would there? So much name calling in this last paragraph of yours Neon. Are you showing an intolerant stance to my beliefs?

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Originally posted by neonwraith
What about those ofunded by Muslims in the west or the Buddhists or the Jews. What about those founded recently. The question you have to ask is WHY did they do it. Because the genuinely cared or because they wanted to get in good with god? Bribery as oppsed to compassion

I am thankful for all the means of hope, healing and charity offered by any group. Do you honestly care WHY they did it? It isn't enough that they did it and people are being helped and healed? Do you question why Mother Theresa helped out so many of the unfortunate in her lifetime? Do you honestly question her devotion? Did you question Ghandi's? And did you ask the "right" question Neon? And even if you did, how do you know they were the "right" questions?

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Originally posted by neonwraith
Prove to me they are not worthy of compassion. Prove to me god is right therefore the bible is right and they SHOULD be vilfied. Give me a divine revelation which will allow me to see faith over reason and compassion. In short disprove that my points are invalid and prove them in a way that everyone here will agree with! I may not I still think they deserve a fair crack of the whip.

Homosexuals are as worthy of compassion just as anyone else is Neon. They are no more and no less than anyone else. All of us are sinners. None of us is in a classification of sinner. You keep wanting to put them in a special category Neon. They aren't special. They are humans, therefore they are sinners. I can't prove one thing to you for you are not willing to see past what you have made as your own special interest group. That is your choice.

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Yes but I can evidence murders, I can evidence crime. I can evidence the reasoning of nearly every law in the criminal stute. I can't evidence god.

Can you evidence the possibitlity of God?

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And all who teach inequality, ignorance and vilfication over compassion and understanding. I have my words with my Mulsim friends form time to time and we argue ove rthier treatment of woemn and Homosexuals. Why don't you pick on muslims, Afro-carribeans or Women. Why is it because they have legally protected rights of equality even when the bible firmly judges their place too?

I don't pick on any one group of people Neon. Why are you asking me to do so?

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Originally posted by neonwraith
I actually hope the bible is right about there being a god of infinate mercy. Because I'll see you in heaven, for all the acts of malice i have committed I knowlgy repent and regret them every day. But a good of Mercy would not damn me for having compassion.

You are exactly right Neon. You, nor anyone for that matter, will be damned "for not having compassion". As has been stated many times, the ONLY reason one is damned is for rejecting the only suitable Sacrifice to atone for the sins we have committed against an all Loving, Righteous and Just God.

Dyshade · 10-02-02

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Originally posted by Unstained

God cannot force us to follow Him Dyshade.
Yet it is gay men who pass along the aids virus is it not? Of course they are not the only members of society to do so. Yet gay men do and it is an unavoidable fact. If they and all people would choose to control their impulses and instead choose abstinence, we would not have this problem at all now would we? Abstinence is not a difficult concept is it Neon? It is the BEST form of "contraception". Perhaps if they practiced abstinence even in Africa there would be no need for this discussion then would there? So much name calling in this last paragraph of yours Neon. Are you showing an intolerant stance to my beliefs?

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two points i wish to make.... one.... you need to keep track of whom you are having a discussion with.... I am Dyshade.... neon is neon.....

Two..... sex is not the only way to pass on the AIDS virus.... and it has been hypothesized that someone may have in fact eaten an infected monkey to get the virus.... this is a common thing that is done in Africa by both white folk as well as colored folk.... regardless of abstinence the AIDS virus could have easily made its way into our culture and passed itself off into Patients in medical centers as well as intravenous drug users.... before the coming of the AIDS virus we did not screen our nations blood supplies as well as we do now.... it is the AIDS virus which spurred us to do so..... blaming gay men for the spread of AIDS is akin to blaming schools for the cold virus.... anyone and everyone can catch this disease... there are some random people out there who can take tests and pass them with flying colors and seem clean as a whistle and yet be a carrier for the virus.... it can be passed from a mother to her unborn child.... it could pass from someone punching another person who is infected and getting blood into a knuckle cut... there are hundreds of ways besides sex in which the AIDS virus can pass itself off to another person....

Knowledge is power.... not abstinence... though it could not hurt ....

Unstained · 10-02-02

I apologize for taking your name in my response to Neon, Dyshade.

I made it clear in the previous post that homosexual men are not the only carriers of the AIDS virus. Yet are you saying men that participate in the act of homosexuality are not to shoulder blame for their actions of spreading the disease?

Your analogy of school children is grossly weak. Cold germs can be spread through coughing, passing germs from one pencil to another, sneezing, breathing on another and so on.

The AIDS virus is mainly passed along to others because of lifestyle. Whether it be a lifestyle of promiscuity or drug abuse. Either way, neither lifestyle would have the problem if they would indeed practice abstinence.

Stop using illegal drugs and being irresponsible.

Stop having promiscuous sex and being irresponsible.

Learn to control your impulses. Actually show you are responsible and abstain from that which entices you. Shun it instead. Save yourself and others from the harm that comes naturally from giving in to these desires over and over again.

Of course you can contract the AIDS virus from a tainted blood supply and the like. However, that is not a lifestyle choice.

You can't get AIDS from a homosexual if you don't practice the act of homosexuality.

You can't spread AIDS from a dirty needle if you don't practice the act of drug abuse.

It would solve much of the worlds heartaches would you not agree?

mightydreamer · 10-02-02

hey stained scince U were so anxious to get Ure answers, why don't U get a move on and do the same in return and respond to Ure queries

Clearwitch · 10-02-02

Just a reminder...for both mightydreamer and Unstained...

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RedMeat · 10-02-02

Promiscuity does increse the likelyhood of contracting and spreading AIDS no matter what the sexual orientation but even sex with one partner is enough to so also.
A lot of people die from car crashes but they are told to drive safely not to stop driving altogether.Why cant this be the same with sex?

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Heh, was hoping you'd catch onto that. And my point is if Lucifer is a being of light, it makes sense that his enemies, and therefore the forces of good, would be the forces of darkness.

Just throwing out some theories.
1)That Lucifer is the bringer of light and God the withholder of it.Much like the story of Eden and the withholding of knowlage.
2)That difference between Lucifer and God is chaos and order.The myth was ment to show that light with no love or moral restrictions can blind people.

I heard Lucifer didnt really exist at all.According to the Bible passage he was supposed to have come from.That the Morning Star (Lucifer in latin I think the explanation went) referance was to a king that was about to fall dimly into ruin as the Morning Star does at night.

neonwraith · 10-03-02

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Neon, I am free to make whatever claims I wish. I have said repeatedly you are owed no proof nor shall you ever, without permission of those involved get it. No one involved cares about your desires to have proof. This is an intensely personal matter of which you are the least of importance. Call me a liar. That is your choice.

You're not free to make whatever claims you like. I can shout rape or trepass untill I turn blue unless I show evidence the courts won't listen Why the hell should we listen to you for shouting salvation without evidence?

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There is nothing to disprove Neon. Another reason why I question if you are reading my replies to you. I have said many many times that "religion" in itself can sometimes be horrible and I have agreed with you on many aspects of the flaws of "religion".

Yet you stick to it like glue...not appologising for it's hypocracy or immorality.

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Call me liar twice then Neon. It is your choice. I accepted ALL the possibilities of being wrong before I made my choice to follow Christ. You are now beginning to sound more like a person in need of acceptance than a professional who seeks to offer a "service".

If you had, then you wouldn't BE a chrsitian no logical free thinking person can be in weight of overwhleming scientific evidence, the multi-diversification of the faith and contradictoy biblical scripture.

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Oh you could not be more wrong...yet I will hold my tongue. You see Neon, here in the United States we have free speech. We are free to preach. We have the right to do so. Anyone has the right to lead how ever many people that want to follow in whichever direction they choose to go.

It is a wonderful thing called freedom. And I cherish it.

Yet god would allow this and allow the innocent to follow their faiths and walk blindly off the cliff into the chasm of damnation. God of infinite mercy my arse!

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In all honesty Neon, this is a topic for it's very own thread. And it is being prepared.

Every single person who wishes forgiveness, must repent of all sin Neon, irregardless of what it is. SIN IS SIN. There is no special classification for any sin over another. Yet, as I have stated, certain sins hold greater consequences to the body, mind and soul as we live out our lives here on earth.

Only the bible says it is a sin and the bible is merely a book. A fallible document written by the hand of man. In no way does god every cliam to be authour (funny that!)

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What evidence do you have that they made no impact on the real world? Are you now claiming omniscience? How do you know they meant nothing to those that read them? Omniscience again? Or perhaps more of your own brand of narcissism run amok one more time. You cannot handle the fact that God can and does use simple things as encouragement can you Neon? They were Scripture? Are you willing to show the evidence of this which you claim I offered to the reading masses? In this instance it is YOU Neon, who could very easily be called the liar. Oh wait, you gave yourself a clever out for you said OR god-sales talk. Nice move counselor.

How does he encourage and why does he not encourage me or other sceptics amongst us? If god uses scripture why is there no imperical proof of him ever endorsing it.

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The act of homosexuality is a choice. It is THAT fundamental.

Bullshit.....thats like saying being born black or white or to any one nation is a choice. youa re what you are ebcause it is integral to your person your only CHOICE is to be honnest about it.

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The problem is you are attempting to give a worldly equivalent to matter of spiritual sovereignty. God cannot force us to follow Him Dyshade. That would not allow free will. You are free to choose Him and in turn choose eternal life. You are free to reject Him and in turn choose eternal damnation. It is indeed your choice. It always will be until the day you are dead. At that time the choice will have been made.

Yes.....but we won't know the error of our ways until after we die. And as no-one has ever returned to tell us, it seems a pretty lucrative market.

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It is your choice to take the evidence given you through all your life and tell God that it wasn't enough.

Assuming there is a god......as I said there isn't enough evidence.

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Did I say that all gay men have aids? Did I? Please show me where I did state that ALL gay men have aids. Hurry now. I'll wait.

Certainly..... you said Homosexuals do harm to every single person they have sex with when they carry within themselves the disease(s) wrought by the lifestyle they freely choose to live. In committing these acts, they pass death from themselves to each person they have had sex with.

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Yet it is gay men who pass along the aids virus is it not? Of course they are not the only members of society to do so. Yet gay men do and it is an unavoidable fact. If they and all people would choose to control their impulses and instead choose abstinence, we would not have this problem at all now would we? Abstinence is not a difficult concept is it Neon? It is the BEST form of "contraception". Perhaps if they practiced abstinence even in Africa there would be no need for this discussion then would there? So much name calling in this last paragraph of yours Neon. Are you showing an intolerant stance to my beliefs?

And the straight populous and monkeys.....

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I am thankful for all the means of hope, healing and charity offered by any group. Do you honestly care WHY they did it? It isn't enough that they did it and people are being helped and healed? Do you question why Mother Theresa helped out so many of the unfortunate in her lifetime? Do you honestly question her devotion? Did you question Ghandi's? And did you ask the "right" question Neon? And even if you did, how do you know they were the "right" questions?

Helping someone to get in good with god is not compassion its bribery.

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Homosexuals are as worthy of compassion just as anyone else is Neon. They are no more and no less than anyone else. All of us are sinners. None of us is in a classification of sinner. You keep wanting to put them in a special category Neon. They aren't special. They are humans, therefore they are sinners. I can't prove one thing to you for you are not willing to see past what you have made as your own special interest group. That is your choice.

And yet the bible blinds you to their inherrent humanity and right to exist as WHO they are.

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Can you evidence the possibitlity of God?

I don't pick on any one group of people Neon. Why are you asking me to do so?

You are clearly picking on Homosexuals by branding their lifestyle sinful!

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You are exactly right Neon. You, nor anyone for that matter, will be damned "for not having compassion". As has been stated many times, the ONLY reason one is damned is for rejecting the only suitable Sacrifice to atone for the sins we have committed against an all Loving, Righteous and Just God.

Yet there are so many options to which people claim with as great a lack of evidence to each that god has directly endorsed!

He should appear on T.V. and tell everyone what's right. Otherwise he's simply a lazy callous god who's not doing enough to save his creations from the multitudes of differing religious ideologies that are springing up and therefore unworthy of any rational persons concern and worship.

Neon

SirVLCIV · 10-03-02

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Originally posted by RedMeat
I heard Lucifer didnt really exist at all.According to the Bible passage he was supposed to have come from.That the Morning Star (Lucifer in latin I think the explanation went) referance was to a king that was about to fall dimly into ruin as the Morning Star does at night.

Correct; I've read the parable many times over; there is no just cause to say that there is a Satan.

Furthermore, if there is a Lucifer, there is no reason to believe he is a fallen angel; he could easily be the left hand of God.

SirVLCIV · 10-03-02

Unstained, I am going to ask a simple question; please answer truthfully.

Would you agree that no matter what you use as justification, the entire basis of your belief in the Truth of Christianity is faith?

If yes, can you see how it is difficult for others to believe just because you believe?