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Then it is something mans failing to follow set codes of conduct will bring.

yes it's called Temporal and Moral anarchy. It will be hell on earth because there will only be chaos and sel-finterest with no morality.

This renders it less of an iullusion and more of a matphor for the resluting aspect of failing to guide society by a strict moral compass

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Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the Truth and so be saved.
  
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As I gave heed to the others Red Meat, so shall I to you.

Mock and gloat while you still can.

The forces of darkness are unhappy the Blood of the Lamb has been victorious at this site.

The Decree has proven worthy.

Already the demonic host are plotting new strategies.

Nebiros and Sargantanas themselves are full of hateful rage at the downfall of their prized one and they will stop at nothing to protect him.

The forces are preparing for war Red Meat.

They are gathering and many of them are already here.

There isn't much time Red Meat.

The Blood of the Lamb is Powerful and Mighty indeed.

Praise the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and defeats the evil works of darkness and exposes them to the Light.

The Blood of the Lamb.

Praise God for the Blood of the Lamb.
Would those "forces of darkness" include those who oppose the Bringer of Illumination and the Bearer of the Divine Light?


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The blood of the lamb victorious my arse......

Unstained, are you actually reading the responses, your preaching is simply causing people to oppose you. They're not listening to you they're crucifying eveyhting you say. They're making coherent rational moral and prersuiavive arguments and you are simply citing scripture like a blind automaton.

No one is converted. In your failure to answer any of our questions with arguemtn which does not inevitably prove to be self-sustaining faliciy is discrediting your case

I say Judgement day for Christians is fast apporaching and for all those religions which oppress and suppress others, for all those religions which profess to hold all the answers and yet can't answer the most basic questions with practical responses.

Christians will not survive the comming millenium but mankind more then likely will and his science and his spirit.

If your god is truly the all powerful all lvong creature he is proclaimed to be then why let innocents be born into 'heathenry' suffer a lifetime of hardhsip and misery and then die and be cast into hell or pergatory for not having followed the words they could never of heard?

Karl marx once ssaid religion is the opiate of the masses. It is clear that those who follow the Pre-marxist religions are sedated in spirit and wit. They let something answer all their questions and are in essence hollow. They make no decisions for themselves they do not see how good their moral compass is. They are Corrupted in the worst possible way.

Evry church has a long history of abuses of faith. Yet you follow them still. This is corruption fo spirit. A failing to accept the faith for yourself. To take that most crucial torch and run with it. You simply watch others and accept what they tell you for you don't understand and could neve runderstand the power of faith. Your faith is hollow because it is blind.

You have a relgion which teaches blind faith is great. But why is is it great? It is simple obedience. A faith which allows one to ask questions and reach solutions is far better. If the faith does not permit you it's questions then you must ask why. What does it have to hide? Is it it's own fundamenally flawed nature? I think that is precisely what you'll find.

Happy are those who have the conviction to question for they know that their path is good and that the truth awaits them at the end of their Journey

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Happy are those who have the conviction to question for they know that their path is good and that the truth awaits them at the end of their Journey

Problem is, that`s what these zealots think as well

But apart form that, great post neon


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Would those "forces of darkness" include those who oppose the Bringer of Illumination and the Bearer of the Divine Light?
You are using esoteric terms to describe the Lord's adversary.

Why then would the forces of darkness oppose one of their own, even their own leader?

How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
  
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Problem is, that`s what these zealots think as well

But apart form that, great post neon
I was thinking that myself for a short while but in repsonse to that I'm going to consider this....

Chrsitians irrespective of denomination have fought for the right to be the one true faith.

Heresy in Catholism was levied on even the least conservative of free thinkers. Anyhting which deviated ever so slightly form the established status Quo was branded Heretical and those who did not recant their beleif and findings were either crucified or burnt.

England throughout Tudor and Stewart times fought the reformation counter reformation and counter counter reformation.

Henry VIII branded Heretical and wrong the Catholic church and his one way was the one right way.

All in all you see that the notion of Questioning the tennents of religion has not been allowed until very recently when the church lost power, but even now the notion is so ingrained into chruch lore that it can't be questioned and the notion of Faith almost precludes the concept of questioning the words and intentions of their respective gods.

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P.S. thanks...


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The blood of the lamb victorious my arse......

Unstained, are you actually reading the responses, your preaching is simply causing people to oppose you. They're not listening to you they're crucifying eveyhting you say. They're making coherent rational moral and prersuiavive arguments and you are simply citing scripture like a blind automaton.
I am in fact reading each response. You have no idea what Almighty God is doing with those who have been touched by His Word. They are in fact listening to me just as you are.

Only you choose to not hear.
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No one is converted. In your failure to answer any of our questions with arguemtn which does not inevitably prove to be self-sustaining faliciy is discrediting your case
This is only an ignorant assumption born in a heart of pride. I fail not to answer any of your questions.

Again, you choose to not hear.

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I say Judgement day for Christians is fast apporaching and for all those religions which oppress and suppress others, for all those religions which profess to hold all the answers and yet can't answer the most basic questions with practical responses.
YES Neon, judgement day for Christians is indeed fast approaching.

For everyone.

Including those who by their choice reject the King of King and Lord of Lords.

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Christians will not survive the comming millenium but mankind more then likely will and his science and his spirit.

If your god is truly the all powerful all lvong creature he is proclaimed to be then why let innocents be born into 'heathenry' suffer a lifetime of hardhsip and misery and then die and be cast into hell or pergatory for not having followed the words they could never of heard?
God is just. He is the God of justice, and will therefore be fair in all His judgements. He is fairer and more just that we are. He will judge people according to the way they respond to what has been revealed since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

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Karl marx once ssaid religion is the opiate of the masses. It is clear that those who follow the Pre-marxist religions are sedated in spirit and wit. They let something answer all their questions and are in essence hollow. They make no decisions for themselves they do not see how good their moral compass is. They are Corrupted in the worst possible way.
Religion in and of itself is not a bad thing. You are religious are you not Neon? Humanism is a religion. I would add that religion will lead many people to hell. It is the Blood of the Lamb that sets men free.

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Evry church has a long history of abuses of faith. Yet you follow them still. This is corruption fo spirit. A failing to accept the faith for yourself. To take that most crucial torch and run with it. You simply watch others and accept what they tell you for you don't understand and could neve runderstand the power of faith. Your faith is hollow because it is blind.
You are a master of assumption. You know nothing of what I do nor anything of my local church. My faith in Jesus Christ is what has given me Life. And Life abundantly.

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You have a relgion which teaches blind faith is great. But why is is it great? It is simple obedience. A faith which allows one to ask questions and reach solutions is far better. If the faith does not permit you it's questions then you must ask why. What does it have to hide? Is it it's own fundamenally flawed nature? I think that is precisely what you'll find.
Our faith is far from blind Neon. We walk the path before us with unshakable confidence and have faith in the promise of the glorious things yet to come.

Who has ever said we are not allowed to ask questions in our faith of Jesus Christ? It is certainly no one I know of. We hide nothing. Rather it is the darkness that is afraid of the Light. This is the verdict Neon:

Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and will not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the Truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

There is nothing flawed about it. It is Truth and Truth only.

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Happy are those who have the conviction to question for they know that their path is good and that the truth awaits them at the end of their Journey

Neon
This is a True statement Neon. The Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

To question with conviction is the right thing to do. It is good to put Truth to the test. How else would we be able to know what is True if we did not?

And that which is True will stand in the end.

Yes Neon. The Truth indeed awaits them at the end of their journey.

Very true indeed.
  
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You are tragically determined, dude. You will see, it may take you a few million live but you'll soon leave this Hell and see God. Not the god that people talk about, that people pretend to know about, but the God that is all around us and runs through us. You will know Nirvana, and you will then see your folly for what it really is. God blessesyou.



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God looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.

He sees you Guy Person and continues His search.

I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man. You will weep bitterly as you come to finally understand that your whole life has been spent in rejection of the very One Who has the power to save you.

I tell you the truth Guy Person, no one can enter the Kindom of God unless he is born again.

Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him.

Dear Guy Person, now we are children of God that have excepted His Son, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when He appears,we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
  
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I am in fact reading each response. You have no idea what Almighty God is doing with those who have been touched by His Word. They are in fact listening to me just as you are.

Only you choose to not hear.

We are lsitening but your words are falling on stone much like the seed of Abraham. I can read and know what people are saying. Only the Light seems to agree with you on this one. You are not converting anyohne your ar epolerising them Christians and everyone else

This is only an ignorant assumption born in a heart of pride. I fail not to answer any of your questions. gain, you choose to not hear.

Have you actually read anyhting I've wrote about the Catholic and protestant chruches over the past 2000 years. How about Shi'te and sunnite hatred or the treatment of Christianity to those who choose not to follow christianities ideals. The persecution in the 1920's-1990's of Muslims Jews and other non-Chrsitians by Christians and the legal freedoms to do it. The Endorsement of the Holocaust by not only the Catholic Church but factions of the LDS, Factions of the Lutherans and Factions of Quakers and many other christian groups.

YES Neon, judgement day for Christians is indeed fast approaching. For everyone. Including those who by their choice reject the King of King and Lord of Lords.

I'll clarify. What I meant is that all your we're right your wrong philosophies of faith are in their final days. All those who preach their accension over all other swithout considering their own mortal likelyhood of falibility know that they are not of substance but of lies and untruths and that people are waking up to the dawn seeing the money sucking parasitc excercises in mental and social control that these religions are and seeing how they will fall at the hand of truely guided morality and collpase under the weight of their own hypocracy.

God is just. He is the God of justice, and will therefore be fair in all His judgements. He is fairer and more just that we are. He will judge people according to the way they respond to what has been revealed since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--His eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

You say he will be fair in his judgements yet only be beleiving christianity will you avoid damnation. That's not fair, that's not free will. That is one groups elitism in proclaiming itself better then all others. You exclude others with such terrible fervour and yet preace equality and love. Does your church allow homosexuality?

For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

This assumes we worship other gods or graven idols. Yet in the cocept of god the all powerful fatherfigure are you not diolisng him. If god is indead the creature he is who is to say he's male or female or even anyhting of any form of possible sex at all? YOur religion preaches the folly of learning in many ways. This suggests a chruch afraid of letitng people question the faith. Only a religion which fears it's own flaws would do this. A religion which allows questioning of even the most fundamental concepts is secure in its beleif for it knows that the truth will lead them back to the Idealism on which it stands. CHrisitanity teaches only ignorance and obedience without questioning the tennetns by which it stands. It is the folly of the christian sheep who did not ask question which led to the society of absolute control with no room for doubt, debate or truth in which we live today

Religion in and of itself is not a bad thing. You are religious are you not Neon? Humanism is a religion. I would add that religion will lead many people to hell. It is the Blood of the Lamb that sets men free.

Once I would have called HUmanism a religion, but Chrisitianity has soured that word for me so now I simply call it a philosophy

You are a master of assumption. You know nothing of what I do nor anything of my local church. My faith in Jesus Christ is what has given me Life. And Life abundantly.

It has given you a placebo of a soul. You have found a moral code and a purpose, but they are false and ultimately empty. I will no doubt find you in 10 years time desperately clinging on to the empty promises of the CHruch and find you no more grown in spirit. Simply stunted by the Church and it's homgenous simplistic spoond fed spiritual mush. True sustenance of spirit comes form within and finding your own way. Only through conflict can we overcome adversity and only in overcoming adversity can we grow. How can your spirit grow when you simply walk an already beaten path? Asa tot eh abuses of the CHurch read my other postings and re-read above about Christian abuses

Our faith is far from blind Neon. We walk the path before us with unshakable confidence and have faith in the promise of the glorious things yet to come.

Who has ever said we are not allowed to ask questions in our faith of Jesus Christ? It is certainly no one I know of. We hide nothing. Rather it is the darkness that is afraid of the Light. This is the verdict Neon:

Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and will not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the Truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

There is nothing flawed about it. It is Truth and Truth only.

This is a True statement Neon. The Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

DO you question what is told to you, do you question the menaing of the Words of Jesus do you look for deeper meaning swithin his words. DO you disagree with his teachings. If the answer to these is no, then your faith is truely blind. DO you ask what if paul was wrong, what if Jesus is not who he said, what if God is false, what if the universe is devoid of god, what if Leviticus is too harsh, what if the bible is nothing more then a giant fearie tale. ALl of these questions you must ask. I have not yet met a so called 'true christian' witht he courage and conviction to really answer these questions. I have not yet met one who masquearades as faithful as having the strength to understand this concept. You say it is the truth but leave no margin of error. You Do not question you simply accept. You do not look for signs you do not look to see if the fundmental underlying reality of your whole religion is the deranged ravings of some ancinet figure. Your religion is a lie. A 2000 year old amaglam of all that the romans wanted to steal from it. I mitchmatched collection of greek, sumarian, Jewish and Celtic/pagan beleif systems and bares nothing even close to the origional gospels. A religion built on a lie and transformed into a cult of ignorance. An alter to which reason and logic are sacrificed. Ignorance is bliss but so it true enlightenment. The path is hard, but it is rewarding. Cast off your shackles and open your eyes. See the truth, see what the world has dealt you. It's a big bad world and its full of pain and disillusion. Wlaking through this world for a grain of pure truth and beauty. The you will know true bliss and it is your bliss, it is not the bliss force fed to you by someone whith whatever agenda they have be it faith or be it money.

To question with conviction is the right thing to do. It is good to put Truth to the test. How else would we be able to know what is True if we did not?

And that which is True will stand in the end.

Yes Neon. The Truth indeed awaits them at the end of their journey.

Very true indeed.
Is it not time then that you took up your travelling staff and took your first few steps?


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Neon, please have the courtesy to at least use a spell check in the future. Many of your words have been difficult to understand as they have to be deciphered through your erroneous spelling.

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We are lsitening but your words are falling on stone much like the seed of Abraham. I can read and know what people are saying. Only the Light seems to agree with you on this one. You are not converting anyohne your ar epolerising them Christians and everyone else
As I have said many times before, you do not have any knowledge of what God is doing in the hearts of those who read the Words of God. You have not read any of my personal messages or emails I have received have you? No, you have not.
Nor have you any inclusion into the workings of men's souls as moved by the hand of God. As stated before, you are the master of assumption.

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Have you actually read anyhting I've wrote about the Catholic and protestant chruches over the past 2000 years. How about Shi'te and sunnite hatred or the treatment of Christianity to those who choose not to follow christianities ideals. The persecution in the 1920's-1990's of Muslims Jews and other non-Chrsitians by Christians and the legal freedoms to do it. The Endorsement of the Holocaust by not only the Catholic Church but factions of the LDS, Factions of the Lutherans and Factions of Quakers and many other christian groups
I admit to having read nothing of yours other than your responses to my own posts. Any endorsement by any group is evil. Have you made any posts regarding the millions that have died at the hands of communists regimes through the last century?

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I'll clarify. What I meant is that all your we're right your wrong philosophies of faith are in their final days. All those who preach their accension over all other swithout considering their own mortal likelyhood of falibility know that they are not of substance but of lies and untruths and that people are waking up to the dawn seeing the money sucking parasitc excercises in mental and social control that these religions are and seeing how they will fall at the hand of truely guided morality and collpase under the weight of their own hypocracy.
What I preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

In no way do I deny my own mortality. And in no way do I deny that I personally am fallible. What I know is that you have believed the lie and by the act of your own free will reject the Truth that has the power to save you.

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Originally posted by neonwraith
You say he will be fair in his judgements yet only be beleiving christianity will you avoid damnation. That's not fair, that's not free will. That is one groups elitism in proclaiming itself better then all others. You exclude others with such terrible fervour and yet preace equality and love. Does your church allow homosexuality?
Let me repeat what has been stated many times. It is only believing in Christ's atoning work on the cross that men "avoid damnation". It is not because of "believing Christianity". Yes, in fact we do proclaim it is better than all others for this Neon is Truth. My church does not allow any practicing homosexuals the same as we do not allow practicing adulterers. We accept anyone who is seeking to change from their life of sin, but if they reject correction, they only seek to cause division and in the House of God, there will be no such distraction. To allow such would be to surrender to the plan of the enemy to divide and conquer. Yet, the body of Christ is victorious in my church. Sinners yes are always welcomed, regardless of their label. Nevertheless if you wish to rebelliously continue in your sin, you are doing nothing but causing division and are not seeking peace with Almighty God.

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Once I would have called HUmanism a religion, but Chrisitianity has soured that word for me so now I simply call it a philosophy
As is your choice to do so.

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This assumes we worship other gods or graven idols. Yet in the cocept of god the all powerful fatherfigure are you not diolisng him. If god is indead the creature he is who is to say he's male or female or even anyhting of any form of possible sex at all? YOur religion preaches the folly of learning in many ways. This suggests a chruch afraid of letitng people question the faith. Only a religion which fears it's own flaws would do this. A religion which allows questioning of even the most fundamental concepts is secure in its beleif for it knows that the truth will lead them back to the Idealism on which it stands. CHrisitanity teaches only ignorance and obedience without questioning the tennetns by which it stands. It is the folly of the christian sheep who did not ask question which led to the society of absolute control with no room for doubt, debate or truth in which we live today
God is spoken of in Scripture in only the male gender. I will repeat again, for perhaps you did not previously read my earlier response regarding questioning. The Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Do you see this point Neon? The Bereans examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Do you understand the meaning of this? They questioned Paul's teachings. They did not take what he said automatically as the Word of God. They questioned it and tested it in comparison with the Scripture. Which is exactly what we are to do with anyone who claims he speaks the Truth.

I also encourage everyone who reads the words I write to go to the Scriptures and seek the Truth. Hold up what I say to the Light of Scripture and test it. I have nothing to fear.

I pray you are able now to understand this point.

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It has given you a placebo of a soul. You have found a moral code and a purpose, but they are false and ultimately empty. I will no doubt find you in 10 years time desperately clinging on to the empty promises of the CHruch and find you no more grown in spirit. Simply stunted by the Church and it's homgenous simplistic spoond fed spiritual mush. True sustenance of spirit comes form within and finding your own way. Only through conflict can we overcome adversity and only in overcoming adversity can we grow. How can your spirit grow when you simply walk an already beaten path? Asa tot eh abuses of the CHurch read my other postings and re-read above about Christian abuses
What I have found is freedom of my soul in Christ Jesus. You have nothing to judge authoritatively what I have found other than your own mind as limited as it is. That is your choice. You will not find me in 10 years doing nothing but what I am doing now--the work of Christ Jesus. I am past the stage of spoon fed mush. I have now moved on to solid food which is good for the growth of the soul. By overcoming adversity we do indeed grow. This is why the Lord allows us to go through such trials.

Your last sentence was horribly structured and not interpretable.

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DO you question what is told to you, do you question the menaing of the Words of Jesus do you look for deeper meaning swithin his words. DO you disagree with his teachings. If the answer to these is no, then your faith is truely blind. DO you ask what if paul was wrong, what if Jesus is not who he said, what if God is false, what if the universe is devoid of god, what if Leviticus is too harsh, what if the bible is nothing more then a giant fearie tale. ALl of these questions you must ask. I have not yet met a so called 'true christian' witht he courage and conviction to really answer these questions. I have not yet met one who masquearades as faithful as having the strength to understand this concept. You say it is the truth but leave no margin of error. You Do not question you simply accept. You do not look for signs you do not look to see if the fundmental underlying reality of your whole religion is the deranged ravings of some ancinet figure. Your religion is a lie. A 2000 year old amaglam of all that the romans wanted to steal from it. I mitchmatched collection of greek, sumarian, Jewish and Celtic/pagan beleif systems and bares nothing even close to the origional gospels. A religion built on a lie and transformed into a cult of ignorance. An alter to which reason and logic are sacrificed. Ignorance is bliss but so it true enlightenment. The path is hard, but it is rewarding. Cast off your shackles and open your eyes. See the truth, see what the world has dealt you. It's a big bad world and its full of pain and disillusion. Wlaking through this world for a grain of pure truth and beauty. The you will know true bliss and it is your bliss, it is not the bliss force fed to you by someone whith whatever agenda they have be it faith or be it money.
I honestly don't know how much more clear I can be on the matter of questioning. Yes Neon. I question my Lord daily for I need His guidance and need to dig deeper into the meaning of what He desires for me to understand. If I questioned Him not, I would be a fool.

I ask of Him.

He answers.

I do not disagree with His teachings for after questioning them, I have found them only to be Perfect, Right and Secure.

I have questioned all these things on the path to eternal LIfe.

You have evidently not met many True Christians Neon.

My life is just as full of hardships and pain as yours. You know nothing of my past and what I have experienced. Each death and each sickness and each pain has all been a part of the growing process.

And by feeding on the Word of God, my former ignorance regarding such things has been taken away and the fullness of the indwelling Holy Spirit of the Almighty God has taken it's place.

Be not afraid to become a sheep who follows the Great Shepherd Neon. Step out and believe.

Dare to be mocked Neon for following the King of Kings.

Fear not.
  
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Neon, please have the courtesy to at least use a spell check in the future. Many of your words have been difficult to understand as they have to be deciphered through your erroneous spelling.

Firstly I am dyslexic, Slate my spelling agian and I'll take it as a personal insult, I have had no other complaints regarding this

As I have said many times before, you do not have any knowledge of what God is doing in the hearts of those who read the Words of God. You have not read any of my personal messages or emails I have received have you? No, you have not.
Nor have you any inclusion into the workings of men's souls as moved by the hand of God. As stated before, you are the master of assumption.

Name names and give us facts or shut up. Let those whom you claim come forth and be counted. They will like to know if they are real and I will check on each and every name you name. I am a Lawyer give me evidence or you have no case. If you won't give us evidence then you are simply blowing smoke

I admit to having read nothing of yours other than your responses to my own posts. Any endorsement by any group is evil. Have you made any posts regarding the millions that have died at the hands of communists regimes through the last century?

What about Mao Tse Tung or hitler himself, Your point is irrelevent they were governments not religions. I am talking about the hypocracy of Christianity and it's brutality, nothing else

What I preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

In no way do I deny my own mortality. And in no way do I deny that I personally am fallible. What I know is that you have believed the lie and by the act of your own free will reject the Truth that has the power to save you.

If you Accept that you are fallible Accept that all god has supposedly shown you could be a figment of your imagination that god could be a lie and that everything upon which you based your faith could be simply be a mistake

Let me repeat what has been stated many times. It is only believing in Christ's atoning work on the cross that men "avoid damnation". It is not because of "believing Christianity". Yes, in fact we do proclaim it is better than all others for this Neon is Truth. My church does not allow any practicing homosexuals the same as we do not allow practicing adulterers. We accept anyone who is seeking to change from their life of sin, but if they reject correction, they only seek to cause division and in the House of God, there will be no such distraction. To allow such would be to surrender to the plan of the enemy to divide and conquer. Yet, the body of Christ is victorious in my church. Sinners yes are always welcomed, regardless of their label. Nevertheless if you wish to rebelliously continue in your sin, you are doing nothing but causing division and are not seeking peace with Almighty God.

Gay men and women are human too, and worthy of love and mercy and friendship and freedom if your religion peddles homophobia and dsicrimination take your archaic facism elsewhere!

As is your choice to do so.

God is spoken of in Scripture in only the male gender. I will repeat again, for perhaps you did not previously read my earlier response regarding questioning. The Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Do you see this point Neon? The Bereans examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Do you understand the meaning of this? They questioned Paul's teachings. They did not take what he said automatically as the Word of God. They questioned it and tested it in comparison with the Scripture. Which is exactly what we are to do with anyone who claims he speaks the Truth.

I also encourage everyone who reads the words I write to go to the Scriptures and seek the Truth. Hold up what I say to the Light of Scripture and test it. I have nothing to fear.

I pray you are able now to understand this point.

I understand the point but it proves nothing. They compared it to scripture which I assume is Jewish, not to the real world, not to the Qu'ran or to the works of aristotle and Plato. Not to the thoughts of the Celts or to the understandings of the Arabian Magi. They may as well compare it to the Christian manifesto. There is also the question of did they want to beleive? did they question their questioning. Did they refine the truth?Questioning does not entail checking facts with sources as biased and blind to a point as the thing you're trying to prove. It's like asking a Christian if god exists to prove if another Chrsitian has a point. This isn't questioning or debate or even anyhting close This is barely intellectual Masterbation. Questioning involves seeking the truth to whatever end. By seeking proof and evidence. By finding the irrefutible proof of your case for without it you have nothing.

What I have found is freedom of my soul in Christ Jesus. You have nothing to judge authoritatively what I have found other than your own mind as limited as it is. That is your choice. You will not find me in 10 years doing nothing but what I am doing now--the work of Christ Jesus. I am past the stage of spoon fed mush. I have now moved on to solid food which is good for the growth of the soul. By overcoming adversity we do indeed grow. This is why the Lord allows us to go through such trials.

Your last sentence was horribly structured and not interpretable.

I honestly don't know how much more clear I can be on the matter of questioning. Yes Neon. I question my Lord daily for I need His guidance and need to dig deeper into the meaning of what He desires for me to understand. If I questioned Him not, I would be a fool.

I ask of Him. He answers.

I do not disagree with His teachings for after questioning them, I have found them only to be Perfect, Right and Secure.

I have questioned all these things on the path to eternal LIfe.

[What proof can you offer me that He truely answers. You ask him questions secure in his existance. You do not question the validity of this fact. that is not true questioning. That is simply reinforcing your delusion. You do not question the morality of the faith and the teachings. You do not judge for yourself. You do not even truely think for yourself. If the bible decree's it ill you accept without questions. Is this true questioning or blind faith and equally blind obedience

You have evidently not met many True Christians Neon.

I have met my share of people who called themselves True Christians. Hypocrits and Homophobes all! I'm happy to see that you do not break the stereotype

My life is just as full of hardships and pain as yours. You know nothing of my past and what I have experienced. Each death and each sickness and each pain has all been a part of the growing process.

Yet you run to the comfort of blind conformity. You make no decisions for yourself and stand on legs 2000 years out of date. This act is not bravery, it is laziness and fear. Fear to strike out on your own. Fear to make our own path, fear to find the truth and understand how you were wrong. Humanism teaches that all thoughts are transient and that many paths lead to the goal. But to reach the goal you must at least travel the distance. Staying static at one point pre-defined by rules not meant for this time and anachronistic even a millenia ago. How will your spirit grow if you refuse to accept the fact that all you have are sands in the hourglass. You clench so tightly at them yet they slip like sand through your fingers. You do not refresh them as you would do by taking a true spiritual journey ultimately you will end up holding on to a few grains and their meaning will be lost in the degredation of the absence of their ilk

And by feeding on the Word of God, my former ignorance regarding such things has been taken away and the fullness of the indwelling Holy Spirit of the Almighty God has taken it's place.

You claim you are no longer ignorant yet can't see the hypocracy your religion preaches daily. You claim your spirit is full yet you fear to question your faith otherwise you would have done so publically.

Be not afraid to become a sheep who follows the Great Shepherd Neon. Step out and believe. Dare to be mocked Neon for following the King of Kings. Fear not.

The only thing I fear is loosing my wit and following blindly. I make my own path in this world and damned or not it is my path. I am stronger in Spirit then any Christian could ever be. I have my own strength and my own power. I do not lean heavily on christian crutchs. I walk tall. I Ask of myself much and I answer a lot. I have seen joy and true beauty in places Chrisitans will never look and I have seen the pain and suffering that the religion of love and mercy brings in it's wake

I am my own man. My morality is entirely my own. My decisions are entirely my own. My life is entriely my own

I challange any Christian to prove themselves as blessed!

Neon


"I've oft been told by learned friars
That wishing and the crime were one
And heaven punishes desires
As much as if the deed were done.

If wishing damns us, you and I
Are damned to all our hearts content.
Come then we may at least enjoy
Some pleasure for our punishment..."

Sir Thomas More
  
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