Well see that's why i'm bringing it up now, so we won't have these kinds of problems in the future.

Yes, and I'm sure some tree hugger 200 years ago worried about running out of wood for their Franklin stove too.

Guess what?

We don't need wood to burn anymore.

200 years ago the population was what, 1.5 billion?

You seem to think that alternative energy development is a guarenteed thing. Even if it were, you'd just be spreading the problem to hydrogen or whatever.

The problem's not gonna go away until we A) get the population growth under control and stop taking everything we want.

No, we will eventually be making hydrogen from seawater, and with fusion reactors replacing fission reactors, our energy problems will be over forever.

That is, unless you think we will run out of seawater...

No, my prediction is that the planet will have lost the ability to sustain human life before the seawater runs out

Based on what?

This planet has been through far worse than anything we can dish out.

Based on population growth and increased energy consumption.

Yeah the planet's been through worse, but we haven't.

Population will stabilize. If not, some of us will die out, and then we won't have that stress anymore, will we?


As far as energy consumption, as I said, fusion and hydrogen will meet our needs forever.

I see....so your plan is that 'some of us will die out...' will your kids be among those?

Boy, you got it all figured out

I said the population would stabilize.


Unlike you, I think everything will be fine.

yeah...and if it doesn't your backup plan is for 'people to die off'

how's the population gonna stabilize, anyways?

I think everything will be fine too. I also think we'll find the wisdom to take the necessary steps.

No, people dying off was your insinuation. You said nobody would be here to enjoy our new energy resources. So which is it?

Our population will stabilize when it becomes counterproductive to breed.

We have the wisdom, it's called "conservatism".

Please don't insult my intelligence.

I said no such thing.

Doesn't seem that productive to breed now...

I agree, conserving our planet for future generations is very wise indeed.

No, my prediction is that the planet will have lost the ability to sustain human life before the seawater runs out


So make up your mind, please....


See above...



Our country is very productive.


Now you are finally learning. Capitalism and Conservatism do conserve the planet. Congrats.

Aright sorry, I didn't know what you were talking about.

I meant that in the context of indefinite growth.

...and?

I fail to see how an indefinate increase in the rate of processing the planet conserves it.

The technological innovations caused by capitalism conserve the planet.

Population growth and growth in energy consumption more than offset any benefits technology gives us.

Then why can I be typing on the internet right now, while watching my tv?

Then why is most of America overweight?

We have more food and energy than we need right now, and we haven't even scratched the surface of out technology.

Have you read the Unibomber's book to get all of these ideas of yours?

'right now'...

how do you figure that?