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Billy the Kidd · 01-30-07

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Originally Posted by Dyshade

Possibly. I will grant you that it is not as clear cut. Yet I am willing to bet that if it comes to the Dems choosing between Obama and Clinton they will choose Clinton.

I have also stated--- this not toward you thefr0g but I need to clarify or at least feel that I do-- that the above is my opinion based on historical facts.

I dunno.. the Clintons are losing a lot of favor. their candidate Wesly Clark was reemed up the ass by Kerry, Dean and Edwards last election.

Dark Messiah · 01-30-07

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Originally Posted by Dyshade

So basically because blacks were able to vote for 3 years, 1867-1870, I am wrong?? Neat. Full voting privilidges were not given to blacks until the 60's. They were hampered and NOT given full voting rights until that era. Whereas women, white women for your comfort, were given full voting rights and were unhampered by any laws in the 20's.
You should read your history my friend. 3 years of unhindered voting does not make full privilidged voting rights. Once the federal soldiers left all thier rights fled as well.
Until Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act in 1965 blacks had a miserable time of voting irregardless of any federal law on the books including the 15th ammendment.
Now though any United States citizen who wishes may vote unhindered by any state law even those still on the books.
So. In the 1920's white women were given voting rights that were unhindered by any state laws whereas blacks were unable to vote due to statelaws hindering thier votes until 1965.

Paint it however you wish and it still comes out the same

Look, I know you're resistant to learning, but really, really, you want to look this stuff up instead of making it up. It's 1870-1877 for the first period of major black suffrage. Then those rights decreased, but never dissapeared. While it was not until 1963-1965 that there was a major loosening and then destruction of those laws, and a return to a broad-spread black vote, when you say that women voted long before blacks you are flat out, unequivocally, 100% wrong.

I'm hoping you're not actually trying to draw a connection between the Democratic and Republican parties of 1960 and those of 2007. I really hope that's not what you're doing.

Synikul: Yes, a test would be nice. Personally, I'm of the opinion that you should have to perform a scavenger hunt just to find out where the Hell the poll is. The more difficult and more idiocy-weeding the voting process, the better.

Dyshade · 01-30-07

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Originally Posted by Dark Messiah

The more difficult and more idiocy-weeding the voting process, the better.

That was the same thoughts the southern states had in the 1870's and beyond when they forced voters to take literacy testing and mathematical testing before able to be registered which meant blacks were out for the most part as they were without education at that time. Sounds like you back that plan

You know. It is pretty worthless to debate with you because you take everything out of context and do nothing but pat yourself on the back for nonexistant jabs at others intelligences.

So to prevent more worthless bickering I shall do my best to forsake any further responses to you.

You are the one who is resistant to learning. Nor was I making a connection to the 1960 anything but once again you misunderstand and presuppose that since you know everything that is what I MUST be stating

Ok. Thats it. Stew in your own verbal cabbage

Dyshade · 01-30-07

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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd

I dunno.. the Clintons are losing a lot of favor. their candidate Wesly Clark was reemed up the ass by Kerry, Dean and Edwards last election.

Yes. That they were. But the furor is slowly rising to pitch. The Dems are poised to take this Presidency due to Bush's bungling and repeated ignorance of everything around him.

Kerry is quite the wishy washy idiot anyways

Dark Messiah · 01-31-07

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Originally Posted by Dyshade

That was the same thoughts the southern states had in the 1870's and beyond when they forced voters to take literacy testing and mathematical testing before able to be registered which meant blacks were out for the most part as they were without education at that time. Sounds like you back that plan

Wait for it, wait for it...

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You know. It is pretty worthless to debate with you because you take everything out of context

Irony +10 Millions. Yes. Nicely done. You've reached a brand new low.

It wasn't wrong that Southerners wanted educational barriers on voting. It was wrong that they did this cocurrent to denying public funding to black schools and keeping them uneducated.

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and do nothing but pat yourself on the back for nonexistant jabs at others intelligences.

You're saying I haven't insulted your intelligence? Do I rest my case there?

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So to prevent more worthless bickering I shall do my best to forsake any further responses to you.

You mean except for this one, where you desperately try to shove in the last word and attempt to appear superior? Is this one going to be any more binding than your previous last words?

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You are the one who is resistant to learning. Nor was I making a connection to the 1960 anything but once again you misunderstand and presuppose that since you know everything that is what I MUST be stating

Apparently it wasn't any more binding, then.

I didn't make any assumption. I only hoped that by citing the fact that the Democratic party supported slavery a hundred and fifty years ago, you weren't actually trying to make a political point. Since that would, you know, be idiotic.

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Ok. Thats it. Stew in your own verbal cabbage

You don't stew in cabbage. Cabbage is the object of the stewing. Learn how to construct a metaphor.

Dyshade · 01-31-07

So does anyone have anything to post pertaining to the topic of this thread???

Lets look at what that was. Is America more prepared for a Black man, woman, or a white woman, or a hispanic to be President.

I reiterate once again that it is my OPINION that the US is more prepared for a woman based on historical precedent.

Let us please debate the topic and leave the side banter to the fools. Sadly I fell victim to exactly that and apologize. Of course I am humble enough to admit when I have made a mistake and I did make a mistake

The same one several times.

So. Hypothetically who would you nominate if it came down to those three?? And if Clinton is nominated---- well so far those who hav eanswered have said they will toss thier vote out to an independent..... would you do the same or would you vote Republican in an attempt to oust the first bid for a woman President??

thefr0g · 01-31-07

And now this thread dies.

Dark Messiah · 01-31-07

Dyshade is trying to stimulate intellectual discussion. Of course it does.