Because they wanted to go to college for 8 years and not actually have to work. I was horrible at college (good at drinking), but I never failed to ace my philosophy class. Why? Cuz I can bullshit.

that was beautiful man. I've got a little something in my eye....



Dyshade, my word for you today is:


futility

fu·til·i·ty [ fyoo tíllətee ] (plural fu·til·i·ties)

noun Definitions: 1. pointlessness: lack of usefulness or effectiveness

2. pointless action: an action that has no use, purpose, or effect

3. U.S. frivolity: lack of importance, seriousness, or sensibleness

Let me use it in a sentence.

Dyshade, talking to you on the subject of philosophy and waiting for you to have some minute consideration, open mindedness or fairness to people you dont understand or people who have little in common with you is a lesson in futility.

schools out. I have a 9 o'clock, ya'll have a g'dun

derdy, talking to you on any subject is a fruitless lesson on how not to debate. You use constant techniques of demeaning, subtle insults and talk down to everyone involved who does not agree and yet absolutely adore those who do happen to agree with your stance.
It is not futile nor is it fruitless to present a case in a civilized and adult manner without calling people who disagree stupid or any other assortment of well thought out names.
That will be my last word toward you on this subject.

Let me interject for those others involved in this discussion that I still hold true to the fact that Religion and Philosophy are miles apart.

there are some who would say that philosophy is the search for Truth, while religion is settling for second hand facts.

Neither are mutually exclusive however, religion does often have philosophilcal aspects, after all, it stems from an attempt to answer philosophical questions about the meaning of our existence.

Which is what I was trying to impart to Dyshade, he refuses to acknowledge it however.

They are both absolutely exclusive. Religion deals with faith. Philosophy deals with reason.

Reason is very different from faith.

In one realm you have answers taken on faith. In the other realm you have answers derived from reason.

You cannot tell me that those are one and the same nor are they in any way similar.

The very religious would have you believe that faith is very similar to reason and yet this is not true at all.

Ask yourself this.

The Christian states--- God gave me Life.

The philosopher states--- Well lets look at this question-- Who gave me life and reasons the answer out.

Do you even read what people post?

Yes. I do.

Why else reply.

I understand the words that you put forth i just disagree.

Religion answers questions with faith. Is that so hard to understand??

Someone says-- Because God made it that way-- and everyone follows that written code regardless of any meanderings. You are not supposed to question faith you are supposed to have Faith in faith

But what Iron's Rite just said was that religion itself stems from philosophical questions. "Why are we here?" "What is our purpose?" etc etc.

I believe, as Iron's Rite appears to believe, and as derdy appeared to believe before her untimely departure, that those questions are of a philosophical nature, even if the answer to them, for many, was religion. The fact that they are asked at all, represents a philosophical aspect of human nature.

Now please, one more time, tell me how philosophy and religion are different, because I just can't get enough of hearing you say it.

Which is precisely why I'm not a religious person. Mind you, if you have faith, why would you want to question?

I went to Catholic schools for 8 years, my parents nor I are Catholic, but it is still interesting to see a different way of thinking. Most people aren't as closed minded as you might think, although there were a few times where I felt like an instigator.

they both serve to explain the origins of life, the universe, and everything... and that's pretty much where the similarity ends. as dyshade said, philosophy is based on reason... religion is based on mysticism and faith.

Religion is an unreasoned and desperate attempt to answer the philosophical questions inherent to human nature and existence. Yet it is still capable of having sound philosophical concepts, study Buddhism and other Eastern religions if you don't believe that.
Philosophical thought is omnipresent, even when it is neglected and/or misrepresentated.

Christ. This is absolutely retarded.

Saying, "There was nothing resembling Philosophy before the Greeks" and then sticking to a literal definition of philosophy as only meaning the Greek school is circular logic. It's not even relevant, because by that definition philosophy doesn't exist anymore, either. Actually go back and read Socrates sometime. He was an over-rated blowhard who made buttloads of assumption in his arguments and relied on outspeaking his opponent. The only really good thought he had, that only one who knows they know nothing knows something, was invalidated by the restof his actions.

Philosophy is the act of questioning that which has no material value. Seeking truth not for profit but for truth's sake. Philosophy has then existed many thousands of years. And it need not be called philosophy to be so. I explained why I consider the Epic of Gilgamesh philosohpical, but you completely ignored my arguments, Dyshade. Likewise, Judaism was highly philosophical, with a long history of questioning itself and God. It is not built on blind faith at all.

I did not completly ignore your arguments. I disagreed with them. Gilgamesh is an epic adventure myth. It is not a tale of philosophy.
Religion and mysticism are not philosophical in nature. Both go about answering the questions about life BUT they do it in absolute opposite ways.
I do not understand why it is that you guys do not understand this.
One answers the mysteries of life with faith, mysticism, and gods. The other uses reason and logic. Two polar opposites.
It is simple truth.
Nothing more.

Thank god he explained the differences again, its been at least three posts.

With all due respect: When did Dyshade's Brain end up locked down like Fort Knox? I recall him as being much more open minded until just recently. I don't mean that as an insult in any way, shape or form, I'm seriously concerned in all honesty as he really seems to have changed.

You've never spoken to an intelligent theologian in your life. There are thousands religious arguments and debates built on logical thought and questioning, such as Socrates' assertion that since there are spiritual things, there must be spirits. The breakdown between religion and science doesn't occur because one is logical and one is not, it occurs because religion, like philosophy, is not falsifiable, as it is immaterial. This is also true of philosophy, which overlaps with religion on an incredible range of topics.