Whoever is interested: see if you can research the history of Christmas: by timeline.

Meaning: start with the earliest known practice of this holiday. Find the earliest origins of Christmas: and track the holiday through history to show how it has evolved and changed into what it is today.

why> ?

To see if anyone can discover what the original meaning of christmas was, and how it relates to the present.

In other words: if you research the entire history of Christmas: you will understand it in wider perspective.

Those too busy shopping for Xmas need not apply.

It celebrates the birth of Christ. there ya go I saved ya all that research.

Yep. He's right. You asked for the history of CHRISTMAS, not of holiday celebrations that may or may not be incorporated into them. CHRISTMAS is celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ.

no its NTO it's the BIRTH of capitalism AND greed DNA capitlaism yoij pigs!@

I will wrap myself in my red flag in honor of all my fallen comrades.

CAPITALIST PIGS!

God, I love Christmas.

oyu love christmasd because seyou diaont have band eduation.

that is not a history: assfuck

no: you just hate learning and hard work asses like you are a dime a dozen

idiot: history incorporate everything: go take some more drugs

why is it that doggies like you only follow masters who kick their ass?

[quote=turak;1571629]Whoever is interested: see if you can research the history of Christmas: by timeline.

Meaning: start with the earliest known practice of this holiday. Find the earliest origins of Christmas: and track the holiday through history to show how it has evolved and changed into what it is today.

why> ?

To see if anyone can discover what the original meaning of christmas was, and how it relates to the present.

In other words: if you research the entire history of Christmas: you will understand it in wider perspective.

Note: This addendum is only for the posers who follow me around trying to destroy all discussion before it starts: it does NOT apply to anyone who is interested in taking up this project and actually finding out the originsof Christmas.

I would like a show of hands:

How many of you despise hard work? How many of you despise history? How many of you despise learning anything new? How many of you despise people who do hard work, study history, learn new things, and are better than you?

Don't be shy... raise your hands. Just so we can identify the trolls and ignore everything they post here from now on.

No, sweetie. You asked for the history of CHRISTMAS. See how it begins with the word "Christ"? If you wanted the broader perspective you should have asked for the history of the holiday season. Then we could've gotten into Yule and various pagan celebrations that have now been in incorporated into Christmas.

And for the record, it's a scientific fact that Jesus Christ was a real person. Whether or not he was the son of god is the aspect that's up for debate.

YOu asked fo rthe meaning of Christmas, I told you you fucking clown.

[quote=turak;1571970]turak let's be honest, you don't want to discuss anything. you post your hippie bullshit all over the forums and just to try to justify your pitiful existence. i post to these forums hoping to discuss ideas i have to make them better ideas. you post here because you're already convinced you have the best ideas. and i guess you do live up to your own personal philosophy, nobody but you convinced you that what you think is right.

i am wholly indifferent to hard work. hard work is not the end-all way to fulfillment. i do lots of hard work but i am always glad when it is done.

i don't despise history. we on these forums refer to history in our arguments all the damned time. you berate us for referring to history when it punches holes in your taffetta theories.

i love learning new things. more than learning new things i love taking what i know and making good use of it in the real world - seeing it manifest. more than putting what a learn to good use i love taking what i know and playing with it until i have new ideas, which i then make real.

i do not despise people who do hard work. i despise people who are self-righteous about all the hard work they think they do. i'm guessing you are one such person.

i do not despise people who study history. i despise people who think they know enough history to belittle others. i despise people who use history to support their own personal agendas instead of using it to test them.

i do not despise people who learn new things. i despise people who pretend that learning new things makes them better than everyone else.

i suspect i would dislike someone who was better than me. fortunately, i've never met anyone who is objectively better than me or anyone else. i love you, turak, and have made you my master because you make me feel superior by comparison. you give me the power to see into the future:

turak will say:

HAHAHAHHAHA you little dog.

what a: child. be QUIETY and never POST again.

go get SOME education. CROSS reference :your facts.

DO NOT respo:nd TO me any LOnger. DO not ask FOr truth.:

You Must FIND th:e truth. you COnsu:mer.

That was a pretty fucking accurate impression. Good job.

thank you. an artist is always glad to hear his work is appreciated.

Damn. Right on the money. apostate, I would so let you do me now.

All trolsl inna row: all assholes inna row: no knowlege: and no facts.

Morons: a history of Christmas covering its evoultion covers ALL things that happened to it... but that red herring is just so NONE of you DARE to actually show how STOOOOPID you are, and how IGNORANT all of you are.

All of you are TERRIFIED of actually saying what you actually know about ANYTHING!!!

And when some FACTS are brought to bear: you do not CHECK the FACTS.

And THEN!! You start APING ME!!!

You find... OH! So THAT! is how a mature person reponds to assholes like us! Well! WE can fake HIM! WE can be JUST! like HE is!!!

NO!

WE are BETTER! that he is!

NO!

We are DA BES'!!!!

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HAHA!HA!HA!

GOD are you all blind.