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World War 3.
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It's no big deal you guys, it's for defensive purposes against non-Nato contries only
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Ignorance is a bliss, right? 
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No - I wouldn't say that, BUT no-can expect a country to sit by without defenses....
We have healped everyone else, we need to stand up and help ourselves too.....
Don't you think?
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Yes you are right, but being the most powerful country in the world can be a two side coin...
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power? the power the us has is diplomatic, and financial, we have far fewer large weapons (ie missles) than China - their arsenal is immense. They could make war on us and win in a heartbeat.
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Quote: Originally posted by waterbearer
power? the power the us has is diplomatic, and financial, we have far fewer large weapons (ie missles) than China - their arsenal is immense. They could make war on us and win in a heartbeat. | China wouldn't need to use nukes to beat us in a war. They have the largest military in the world...
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Quote: Originally posted by waterbearer
power? the power the us has is diplomatic, and financial, we have far fewer large weapons (ie missles) than China - their arsenal is immense. They could make war on us and win in a heartbeat. |
Hey..
nobody said the opposite.
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So what's wrong with stepping back from the ABM treaty
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Basically if this gets trough, there is no reason the US could not build a nuke arsenal big enough to obliterate anything else on the planet. Hmm... I'm curious if you americans even want to posess that firepower. And become responsible for the endangerment of the human species as a whole...
Why are there no protests against this of a serious nature?
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A treaty ... what is a treaty? Why do countries sign treaties?
What will happen if all the unions start stepping off the treatied because of some event?
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Quote: Originally posted by Aeternus
Basically if this gets trough, there is no reason the US could not build a nuke arsenal big enough to obliterate anything else on the planet. Hmm... I'm curious if you americans even want to posess that firepower. And become responsible for the endangerment of the human species as a whole...
Why are there no protests against this of a serious nature? | Personally, I think my country has gotten very weak defensively. WE are supposed to be able to handle two major (and one minor) conflicts. Right now we are hard pressed to do one and one. But that's not the only thing.
If my country is expected (and because of past practice we always are, and we are glad to be) to support other countries, and take the lead, we have to be able to fight anyone off. It's the way it has been since world war one over here. It's a large burden, but one we have taken on, so we have to deal with the repercussions. Give and take as always. Do I always like it? NO. But I also know what could happen if we don't do it so...
And we could obliterate a lot right now, but we've chosen not to, and we've stood by that, and if you think about it, except for a few occasions, if America has promised something, we have kept our word (not ALWAYS) but nobody is perfect
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Quote: Originally posted by Edge
A treaty ... what is a treaty? Why do countries sign treaties?
What will happen if all the unions start stepping off the treatied because of some event? | And, Edge, if two countries sign a treaty, and one breaks it, then Nato gets involved. NOT FUN!!!
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Quote: Originally posted by waterbearer
Personally, I think my country has gotten very weak defensively. WE are supposed to be able to handle two major (and one minor) conflicts. Right now we are hard pressed to do one and one. But that's not the only thing.
And why must your country be able to handle that many conflicts? Ever stopped and thought about that one?
If my country is expected (and because of past practice we always are, and we are glad to be) to support other countries, and take the lead, we have to be able to fight anyone off. It's the way it has been since world war one over here. It's a large burden, but one we have taken on, so we have to deal with the repercussions. Give and take as always. Do I always like it? NO. But I also know what could happen if we don't do it so...
"Take" the lead. That is what happened all of a sudden... And it seems the U S of A(rrogance) will stop at no end to keep that leadership.
And we could obliterate a lot right now, but we've chosen not to, and we've stood by that, and if you think about it, except for a few occasions, if America has promised something, we have kept our word (not ALWAYS) but nobody is perfect
The word of an american politician carries about as much value as a piece of scrap metal. But that goes for politicians in general. America has been helpful in the past. Yet this does NOT give it a carte blanche to do in this world as it sees fit.
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You are absolutely right Aet, and so am I.
As long as people look to us for help, and we have the means to give it, we will....
Politicians word? Doesn't mean shit - but the people of the countru will stand by those prommises and hold him accountable
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I think the biggest concern is an Arms Race again, and the stockpiling of weapons again instead of the reductions.
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I think the biggest concern is an Arms Race again, and the stockpiling of weapons again instead of the reductions. | That is a concern my pet, but if we DON'T do it, we will be unprotected. Russia understands, and China HAS to buy into it because of NATO
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Unprotected from whom? Who has an interest and a capability in launching a fullscale missile attack on the US?
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