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Serious Discussion Discuss The Bush Doctrine or Permanent War in the Discussions forums; Originally posted by Sixgun_Symphony That can be said of your comments. mine as well as TFW's are backed with sources, youve yet to offer one....

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That can be said of your comments.
mine as well as TFW's are backed with sources, youve yet to offer one.
  
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What sources?

You mostly just throw fecies like a monkey.

I cut & paste alot of news articles here myself.



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What sources?

You mostly just throw fecies like a monkey.

I cut & paste alot of news articles here myself.
go for it, go cut and paste a reliable article or educated source claiming that facism and communism are both cousins to auntie socialism. go fetch that for me.

we throw truth at you unfortunatly youre too soiled in your own rhetoric for it to stick. the only thing you spew is bile worthy of Lush Limbaugh pigman.. hey you pink man pig man...haha charade you are
  
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It is true, you folks just need to study the subject more.
Sixgun, I've studied this extensively. My dad used to teach AP Euro, I'm enrolled in a class right now that teachs this stuff...I wrote a 15-page term paper on this last year.

My sourse was printed under all of those writings from Mussolini on the other thread. Which shows that you did not even bother to read them. Which show that you don't even care. You can't bear the thought that your precious right could contain fascism. "Fact is," (as you like to say) fascism is as rightist as my right arm. Go back to that other thread and READ the posts next time.


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In case you're too lazy to go back and look, here's part of a post, along with a source.

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Here is another quote, from a writing by Benito Mussolini:

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...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....
Note that: the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of socialism.

http://www.cla.wayne.edu/polisci/kra.../mussolini.htm


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12-31-02

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Actually they had alot of support from their population. Its why we had to "denazify" Germany in the occupation after the war.


Socialism = state controlled or "regulated" economy.
The Nazis had several brainwashing programs, Hitler was rather charismatic, and many psychological experiments have been done which further the possibility of normal humans committing atrocities against other humans, in much the same manner as Germans were manipulated.

And Communism is state socialism. Socialism is society controlled wealth.


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12-31-02

final, that's Marxian socialism. Not all socialism. I agree with Sixgun that fascism as we know it is socialistic, but I also say that it has elements of capitalism inherent in it. Fascism is NOT equivalent to Communism, however.

Hell, I'm a socialist (anti-state however).


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12-31-02

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fa..._Ideology.html

This is a rather informative paper on the whole thing that I was looking for and was eventually found by a friend of mine, which was odd because I didn't even ask him, lol.

Anyway, here is a quote from it, I have enbolded text for emphasis.

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FASCISM
A dictionary definition of fascism:
Any authoritarian, anti-democratic, anti-socialistic system of government in which economic control by the state, militaristic nationalism, propaganda, and the crushing of opposition by means of secret police, emphasize the supremacy of the state over the individual.
Hallmarks of Fascism
anti-intellectualism
repudiation of rationalism and reason, emotion over reason
leader discovers and represents the will of the people
the state over the individual
nation supremacy, nationalism, national greatness
social Darwinism and constant struggle
action for actions sake, violence to strengthen nation
corporation-state unity
faith in the nation and the leader
hero worship
police state, crushing of opposition
National Socialism - add racism to fascism
Not that I expect Sixgun to take notice though.

It goes on to note -- NATIONAL SOCIALISM (NAZISM)
p262
ADOLF HITLER: RACE, LEADERSHIP, AND THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST STATE --

Yes there is socialism in facism, but it is anti-socialist.

It also says -- What differentiated Hitler from Mussolini, however, was that blood-mixing and Jews were seen as the basic cause of all of the problems of modern life contained in the fascist litany. Marxism, for example, was viewed by both men as a dire threat to national unity and as a revolutionary doctrine that competed with fascism for recruits. But for Hitler, Marxism was a doctrine invented by a Jew (Marx's father was a convert to Christianity) and used by international Jewry to prevent the German working class from realizing its prime allegiance to Volk and state. "And so the Jewish leaders succeeded in hammering into the minds of the masses the Marxist propaganda: 'Your deadly foe is the bourgeoisie; if he were not there, you would be free!' Similarly, democracy, and all of the so-called freedoms associated with it, was a doctrine designed and dominated by Jews. By asserting that political equality was a basic presupposition in governing, Jews had tricked people into believing that they were equal to legitimate members of the Volk. Thus, democracy as a political form ensured the debasement of the Volk while at the same time permitting Jews to rise to positions of power. --

Hope that helps those who are willing to learn this sort of stuff, socialism is a fun subject (I'm referring to the academic subject).

On rhe political left / right scale, Facism is far right and Communism is far left.


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12-31-02

Blind and un-questioning fanaticism, and blaming all the ill's of a society on a conveniently availible minority. Also hallmarks of facism.

But I doubt Sixgun will ever admit these facts. His ego would appear to be far too large and cumbersome for him to allow himself to question his own belief's.


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So, if all leftists are communist, as Six says, then it follows that all rightists are fascist.


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