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06-24-07

Because in the larger sense, what they do have is what others don't. Those that inherit massive amounts of money without effort are effectively draining wealth from society. They inherit the numbers and the paper and the coinage, but they represent no actual productivity or value on the part of the inheritor. But with that inheritance they can take the labor and efforts of others.

Tax money has to come from somewhere. Few Americans are really that bad off, but when you're still just trying to make ends meet and get yourself or your kids through college, seeing some kid that never did any hard work get a tax break on their inherited billions is more than a little frustrating.


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06-25-07

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Where? I have yet to see or hear of it and I came up in a pretty shitty place, and we still had a TV and some food in the fridge. Maybe not the awesome food thats on TV commercials, but we certainly were able to get food.
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just do whatever you do and shut the fuck up, then.
I am sorry Gae, I don't speak tard, got a point in there somewhere? No one is starving in America, I defy you to tell me where they are.
  
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Because in the larger sense, what they do have is what others don't. Those that inherit massive amounts of money without effort are effectively draining wealth from society. They inherit the numbers and the paper and the coinage, but they represent no actual productivity or value on the part of the inheritor. But with that inheritance they can take the labor and efforts of others.

Tax money has to come from somewhere. Few Americans are really that bad off, but when you're still just trying to make ends meet and get yourself or your kids through college, seeing some kid that never did any hard work get a tax break on their inherited billions is more than a little frustrating.
Its frustrating, so?
  
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I am sorry Gae, I don't speak tard, got a point in there somewhere? No one is starving in America, I defy you to tell me where they are.
Less than 20 years ago (before i met Fellik's mother) I was living on the streets. had the backpack and the clothes on my back. Prayed for a food joint to discard some old food things so i could get something in my stomach. Why? because i wouldn't stand for the baptist/prodistant/born again preacher going on for 2.5 hours before they would offer me anything ( food or clothes or any other assistance ) . Gov/state wouldn't help me because i didn't fit the "requirements" they set down. So it was dumpster diving for food!! WOOHOO!! the pizza hut threw out a supreme!!!!
You never been there, You can't realise.. took better part of a year, and somebody who actually gave a shite about people for me to manage to get out of that dumpster routine.. It's amazing what just being able to put down a phone number and real address can do for your life..

I've been where you never want to be.


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on a side note.. have you seen
The Pursuit of Happyness ?


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Less than 20 years ago (before i met Fellik's mother) I was living on the streets. had the backpack and the clothes on my back. Prayed for a food joint to discard some old food things so i could get something in my stomach. Why? because i wouldn't stand for the baptist/prodistant/born again preacher going on for 2.5 hours before they would offer me anything ( food or clothes or any other assistance ) . Gov/state wouldn't help me because i didn't fit the "requirements" they set down. So it was dumpster diving for food!! WOOHOO!! the pizza hut threw out a supreme!!!!
You never been there, You can't realise.. took better part of a year, and somebody who actually gave a shite about people for me to manage to get out of that dumpster routine.. It's amazing what just being able to put down a phone number and real address can do for your life..

I've been where you never want to be.
If you were living on the streets you "met the requirements" You clearly had access to shelter, money and food, otherwise they wouldn't have turned you down. Not sticking around because of moral reasoning isn't the same as saying "theres people starving in America" well if they're doing it to themselves they dont count as "starving poverty"
  
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Less than 20 years ago (before i met Fellik's mother) I was living on the streets. had the backpack and the clothes on my back. Prayed for a food joint to discard some old food things so i could get something in my stomach. Why? because i wouldn't stand for the baptist/prodistant/born again preacher going on for 2.5 hours before they would offer me anything ( food or clothes or any other assistance ) . Gov/state wouldn't help me because i didn't fit the "requirements" they set down. So it was dumpster diving for food!! WOOHOO!! the pizza hut threw out a supreme!!!!
You never been there, You can't realise.. took better part of a year, and somebody who actually gave a shite about people for me to manage to get out of that dumpster routine.. It's amazing what just being able to put down a phone number and real address can do for your life..

I've been where you never want to be.
Never assume anything shit dick. How do you know where we've been? Nice sob story though. You want a fuckin hug?


  
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Its frustrating, so?

That's about it. It's frustrating. Inheritance tax should be about the last thing to be cut, but old money interests kind of have a stranglehold on Washington.

The situation sucks, but I've already pointed out that there's also no really good, quick solution to it. The best I can think is that we stop pouring money down the drain paying people not to work, and start investing in an educational system that actually lifts people up and empowers them (although that requires more than simply money, although money's a good start).


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That's about it. It's frustrating. Inheritance tax should be about the last thing to be cut, but old money interests kind of have a stranglehold on Washington.

The situation sucks, but I've already pointed out that there's also no really good, quick solution to it. The best I can think is that we stop pouring money down the drain paying people not to work, and start investing in an educational system that actually lifts people up and empowers them (although that requires more than simply money, although money's a good start).
What do you mean, pay people not to work?
  
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Social Security- $586.1 billion
Unemployment and Welfare- $367.0 billion
Education- $89.9 billion

That's what I fucking mean. We spend ten times as much paying people to be unproductive as we do giving kids the tools they need to make the world a better place.


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Social Security- $586.1 billion
Unemployment and Welfare- $367.0 billion
Education- $89.9 billion

That's what I fucking mean. We spend ten times as much paying people to be unproductive as we do giving kids the tools they need to make the world a better place.
I agree with Welfare and Social Security. But Unemployment, isn't that money directly taxed from the person/company and put into a state fund and paid out of that? I am actually not sure. My brother is on unemployment right now after his last job finished up, he logs into the CT DOL site and it shows exactly how much money he and his employers paid into the fund and how much he gets each week he claims.
  
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It is. I've been paying into unemployment for years and never claimed it. How much you get weekly relates to how much you paid into it.


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But what we pay into it doesn't actually cover what it costs us (ditto to Social Security), especially when politicians gladly take the money that is put into it and squander that on other projects and graft. So then we have to go into debt to pay back what we borrowed. The government's like a spoiled college kid with a new credit card from their parents, honestly. They have no self-control or forethought.


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Wait. You're suggesting scrap unemployment because the government doesn't spend it wisely? That doesn't punish anyone but the unemployed that have been paying into it and then don't receive anything.


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No, obviously we don't want to fuck over the people that've been paying into social security and unemployment for years. But we can work on refunding that money and slowly decreasing those programs while boosting more important ones (like education and defense), instead of allowing them to continually spiral.


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Don't forget the employers of the fired employee have to pay into it too.


  
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It is all subjective. Even with the opportunities available in the USA some do not have the savvie or brains to take advantage of them. Some people are just plain fucking nuts and do not have the sanity to do so. As such we do have poverty here. It has not been abolished. We have starving children, and adults who cannot muster enough cash to even pay for one meal a day.
So I have not a clue as to where you might be living where the lights are always bright and everyone always has 3 square meals. In reality poverty exists everywhere irregardless of how someone got there or the opportunities available to get oneself out of there.
If you're in "poverty" in America, it's only because you've made bad choices. No American has any excuse.
  
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If you're in "poverty" in America, it's only because you've made bad choices. No American has any excuse.
In some cases yes. Children of those who are poor do not have a choice.



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