This is a direct translation of the Lords prayer from Arimaic into English rather than Arimaic, Greek, Latin, English. I thought somebody might find it interesting.

LORD'S PRAYER

O cosmic Birther of all radiance and vibration!

Soften the ground of our being and carve out a space within us where your presence can abide.

Fill us with your creativity so that we may be empowered to bear the fruit of your mission.
Let each of our actions bear fruit in accordance with our desire.

Endow us with the wisdom to produce and share what each beeing needs to grow and florish.

Untie the tangled threads of destiny that bind us, as we realise others from the entanglement of past mistakes.

Do not let us be seduced by that which would divert us from our true purpose, but illuminate the opportunities of the present moment.

For you are the ground and the fruitful vision, the birth-power and fulfillment, as all is gathered and made whole once again.

Translator Mark Hathaway

wow!...I never realized a dead language was so easily translated...it does have a poetic feel to it....

Dead languages are not very easily translated...... It took Sitchen a very talented linguist almost two years to succesfully translate the original tale of Gilgamesh..... though it was already translated he decided to do it from scratch to prove that the original translation was flawed..... Aramaic was not the original language of the Lords Prayer either.... it was translated into Aramaic from Hebrew...... and most of Hebrew "Mythology" was handed down to them from the Babylonians who in turn translated most of thier "Mythology" from the Sumerians..... we do not have any written records of any civilization existing before the Sumerians.... we do how ever have Artifacts left over from a Pre-Sumerian Culture who i would presume left thier beliefs to the Sumerians... or at least lent a few ideals to the creation of the Enuma Elish...

By the way.... Sitchen proved that the original translation of the Gilgamesh story was incorrect....

hmmm...that's very interesing...

By the time of Jesus Arimaic had replaced Hebrew as the common tounge of the Jews and that language was only used by the temple preists, so the Lord's Prayer would have orginally been in Arimaic. Modern Hebrew is no older than the state of Israel.

How does one even know for sure what text or language was spoken in jesus's time...it's all text, and what proof do you have that this translation is accurate...it is my understanding that anything of this...magnitude is locked in the vatican, and only the highest officials of the church have access...what is this guys title?
I think dy's point was that the translation of giglamesh was completely incorrect, and if that language is younger as you suggest...than how accurate would an older translation of a dead language would be? And even more recently the story of cinderella, it was originally a fur slipper, a translator mistranslated it to glass...and that was french...just my opinion on ancient translated texts

We know that Arimaic was spoken at the time of Jesus because the Romans were very good record keepers and in any case the Talmuds and even portions of the book of Daniel were writern in Arimaic proving that it had already taken root long before the time of Jesus.

I'm not sure how you arived to your understanding about the Roman Curia locking all historical documents away Jordyn. The secret archives of the Vaticana are accesible to any scholar who aplies for a permit and information is avalable up to and including the pontificate of Benedict xv (1922) after all, in the words of St John 'The Truth shall set us free'.

As for the legitamacy of the traslation, I was not presenting it as being so, I simply found it, thought it interesting and decideed to post it to allow people to draw there own conclusions. However I shall see if I can check out the translators credentials and will post when Iget more info.

Later.

Hmmm..... The original Qabalah was written in Hebrew and dates back over ten thousand years.... Aramaic was not around back then.... Aramaic is as you stated a traditional language that was adopted by the Jews and Hebrew became the tongue of the Priests..... much as Latin has become the tongue of the Catholic Church..... so originally the Lords Prayer was written by the Jewish folk in Hebrew.... Modern Hebrew is merely a modernized version of the ancient Hebrew tongue....

The Vatican Church is responsible for the locking away of the Dead Sea Scrolls..... except for a few small translations from random scrolls they have essentially made it upper echolon reading material only..... as well as the many wonderful Pagan artifacts that they have locked away.... the records that they have for public viewing are strictly controlled by the Pope himself.... I am not questioning the legitimacy of your translation merely the legitimacy of the language it originally came from... which is Hebrew and not Aramaic.... which did exist at the time of Jesus and possibly a few thousand years before that.....

You are of course right that Hebrew existed alongside Arimaic at the time of Jesus Dyshade.

We learn from the Gospel of St Luke that Jesus knew both Hebrew and Arimaic however, Arimaic was the common tounge of the Galilee region and as The Lord's Prayer was originally spoken to his disiples most of whom, like himself were from around Galilee (Simon-Peter, Andrew, Mathew ect) I can only conclude that it was orginally, in all likelyhood, spoken in Arimaic. You of course are free to draw your own conclusions.

As for my comment about the legitimacy of the translation it was primarily directed at Jordyn who, quite rightly seeming as I have not yet done any background reading on the translation, questioned whether it could be taken as Gospel (if you excuse the pun).

Most prayers were originally transcribed in Hebrew... though you are correct that Jesus more than likely spoke it in Aramaic so that the general population would understand much of what was said... akin to how Catholic Priest translate thier prayers from Latin into English so as to ease the understanding of the Prayer to the populace.... the funny thing about that is that most of the Latin prayers originated in the Hebrew text... or language if you will....

Everyone knows Jesus spoke Welsh. Sheesh.

The only way I would believe anything a person stated as being directly from the words of a historical figure is if that person were to stand before me and say "yes...I said that, word for word" otherwise it's all open to translation and interpretation...and if the vatican is so free with all texts they have that relate to religious importance then why aren't the dead sea scrolls so easily released or any other number of "rumored texts" The vatican is little less than a government, and does the government release all their secrets?

So than the guy who translated the text received it right from the hand of an ancient aramic speaking person, written by that persons hand, in the exact language and translated it word for word to modern english? Wow...too bad hieroglyphics or the ogham weren't so easy...

How do you know if they're secret.

The United States Government released information to the public in the early eighties telling us that we had a new Stealth Bomber called the Blackbird..... part of the release of that information acknowledged that they had been testing that exact plane since the early sixties..... it could well have been in use since the fifties... All Societies have levels of need to know information... religious or Fraternal.... The Catholic Church has over 40 scrolls in thier possession from the Dead Sea area.... these at least are the ones that they have publicly acknowledged as having.... they may have more.... there have been instances where the Catholic Church has withheld information before..... for many years documents that entailed many Witchcraft trials were withheld from public inspection.... there are still many documents from that era that are inaccesable to the public at large.... what you forgot to say about thier application process is that you have to be an accredited historian or ordained catholic priest to access the files that they have for public perusal..... it is also public knowledge as well as acknowledged by the church that they have many sensitive documents and artifacts stored away inside of a large underground vault that only the Higher echolon clergy can access...

Conspiracies...rumors...speculation...people who say they've seen the texts...aliens, kennedy...there are a lot(a whole board full)...there are people that know these things exist(so they say)but lack the proof...it's locked away by some "greater power" so I don't know if they exist, but how do you know they do not? I could potentially use the same arguement against "the original Lord's Prayer"...how do you know that what was translated was an actual original aramaic text? Because the translator said it was?

It doesn't really matter what language it was originally spoken in, it was first Written in the Gospel of saint matthew which was written in Latin.

As for vaults under the vatican, I have it on account from someone who has seen them first hand that they are there, what's in them, however, is pure speculation but the official speil is that it's artwork which was originally comissioned by the church but would now offend the church (Stuff from before they made Mary a virgin etc. )