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this is for all the people that don't believe in god - 07-31-01

I know as a fact that if you don't believe in god there is no devil to you because there has to be both without good there is no evil without evil there is no good. So if you say you don't believe in god but you love or worhsip the devil that is not right. But if you don't go with the ways of the bible then yes you can be a satanist. But remeber there can't be no god and there be a devil there has to be both you just don't go with the ways of onw. Tell me what you think about it?



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07-31-01

you seem to have mixed the idea of good and evil with the judeo-christian entity system. good and evil exist independent of gods. supposedly a god is the embodyment of a certain good and evil in the judeo-christians sense. such as satan can never possess a good intention because he embodies all evil, but this is all relative to the culture you pertain to. to summerize, good and evil are relative to time and place.


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08-01-01

You're forgetting that even satanists (at least the levayian kind) acknowledge christianity ... their own bible (that's the satanic bible) states that satan is the best friend christianity has ever had as he's kept them in business for 2000 years :)

As for good vs evil in relation to gods ... personally, I don't go in for all that shit ... gods are no more perfect or singularly polar than we are. No one is "all good" or "all evil". So, go ahead, believe in both god and the devil; I do, but don't worship either. Remember, though, that despite their excellent press and public relations over the last few millennia, neither of them are perfect.

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08-01-01

well, i dont believe in god, or satan...
i dont think many ppl that dont believe in god(good), believes in satan(evil). usually its either u believe in both, or none at all...
  
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08-01-01

I am a Satanist.

I do not believe in the Xian god, or their devil.

Good/Evil are relative. They are but a personal perception.

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08-01-01

I don't beleive in god or satan. I do beleive in good and evil. And if I'm wrong about the god and satan thing, I know where I'm going and the entertainment will be much better I think!


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08-01-01

yeah, id love to meet hilter and ghandhi... and confuscious and the whole of the shogunate... and buddah and oscar wilde...

much better company than the Osmonds..


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08-02-01

OKAY. BACK TO MY VIEWS ON BELIEFE.
  
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08-02-01

oops sorry. anyhow. if you practic anyform of magic. (satanic or witchcraft) than you know that the power of mass beliveing is strong enough to cause things to happen therefor if enuff people belive in a god. than he is created.

actually some believe thier is a god but i believe that in his so called "goodness" is essentually evil. causeing pain to test faith. killing people to help others belive in him. causing things to happen to teach lessons (judas). which this is why i belive angels fell. they questioned god.
this is only a myth. not a fact. im using it to state a idea
lucifer questioned him and god told him to go to earth and be umongst them. when he returned he told of the pain and challenged god to go to earth. god then kicked him out. later satan was allowed to renter. (mercy god) than god sent his son ( which i dont belive is much of a sacrafice. he should have went himself) jesus to earth. but after he died he returned to heaven. satan didnt belive this to be a "supreme" sacrifice. questioned god and was kicked out.

god does things that arnt just. but he dosnt always relize it. just like us. (made in his image. ate the fruit. knowledge of a god) he is still learning.

but i know that god is nothing like what the bible said. (my brother Grendel gave me the low down on it all). anyhow if you wanna know what grendel said email me johnnycrucifix@hotmail.com (oh by the way. my last name is grendel. serious. )
  
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Far out, man...


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lucifer questioned him and god told him to go to earth and be umongst them. when he returned he told of the pain and challenged god to go to earth. god then kicked him out. later satan was allowed to renter.

i think you are making a very common mistake here...lucifer and satan are not the same.

lucifer was, according to the myth, the falling angel of light etc

satan is the incarnation of evil, the opposite of god etc.

comprende?


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i think you are making a very common mistake here...lucifer and satan are not the same.

lucifer was, according to the myth, the falling angel of light etc

satan is the incarnation of evil, the opposite of god etc.

comprende?
Satan means enemy if I remember correctly.


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08-02-01

redmeat: yup. initially it was used to describe the enemies of god aka the church. in the old testament you will find there were not just one, but many satans,

demon means 'he who inspires the people to go against gods will'


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Hmmm I took the demon name Astaroth. Just thought I`d say.


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clearwitch - 08-03-01

i know the differnce. its just easy-er to type satan. but thanks for doing it for me. actually there is arguments on both side. some think luciefer took the name satan to show his rebellion aganst god(god named him). least thats what i think. (Paradise lost) "the angels took hellish names."
  
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08-03-01

well guess what!!

i dont believe in either...


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