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Serious Discussion Discuss Abortion in the Discussions forums; Originally Posted by PoisonFlower No it isn' selfish to terminate a parasite. The life that starts off at conception is a bunch of seperate tissues, similar to a cancer. It ...

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No it isn' selfish to terminate a parasite. The life that starts off at conception is a bunch of seperate tissues, similar to a cancer. It isn't a person. It's a mass of growth. The parents' decision to abort it is entirely their own.
Wow you're a disgusting cunt who deserves to be put into a death camp. Im guessing you're hideously ugly which pretty much would explain why you despise children and human life, its easy to hate things you will never have the chance to do or feel. You know... love, a relationship, motherhood etc.
  
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Wow you're a disgusting cunt who deserves to be put into a death camp. Im guessing you're hideously ugly which pretty much would explain why you despise children and human life, its easy to hate things you will never have the chance to do or feel. You know... love, a relationship, motherhood etc.
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I think that abortion is wrong if you are willingly having sex. If you get pregnant you need to suffer the consequences. Put it up for adoption if you aren't ready for a baby. There are lots of people in this world that would love to have a baby but can't.

BUT on the other hand.. what about a little girl who is raped and ends up pregnant? Should she be expected to carry out the 9 months and have the child?

Its a very touchy subject this one... but I watched some videos of abortions being done very close up and there is nothing like seeing a little tiny baby screaming because its limbs are being sucked off. It's horrible.
  
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I fully support abortions. There are too many people in the world already I am all for Government Licensing of Birth. Get all the fat fucks off of welfare.



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One of my professors who was very eager to have children raised an interesting point when he learned he and his wife's unborn child (8 months) had no brain. Other complications were discovered and the docs said the baby would not survive the birthing process. Then what?

They decided on abortion, first to forgo any additional health risks to his wife and second, because they could not fathom caring on the pregnancy only for her to birth a dead child.
  
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Wow you're a disgusting cunt who deserves to be put into a death camp. Im guessing you're hideously ugly which pretty much would explain why you despise children and human life, its easy to hate things you will never have the chance to do or feel. You know... love, a relationship, motherhood etc.
Very abusive post from a degenerate thug.

You're the one spewing the most hatred here, not I. So far I've been answering objectively from a different angle. You though have become extremely emotional and aggressive.

Pro-lifers always turn out to be very irrational and violent.

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One of my professors who was very eager to have children raised an interesting point when he learned he and his wife's unborn child (8 months) had no brain. Other complications were discovered and the docs said the baby would not survive the birthing process. Then what?

They decided on abortion, first to forgo any additional health risks to his wife and second, because they could not fathom caring on the pregnancy only for her to birth a dead child.

Technically, that's not an abortion but a D&C. Because the child can't live anyway, they go in and literally scrape the uterus clean.
It's a common procedure that is used for such instances, for those who have incomplete periods or for those with Tubal pregnacies. It is also used if the body does a spontaneous abort of the fetus but doesn't do so completely.


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Very abusive post from a degenerate thug.

You're the one spewing the most hatred here, not I. So far I've been answering objectively from a different angle. You though have become extremely emotional and aggressive.

Pro-lifers always turn out to be very irrational and violent.
and yet, this article reminds me of your point of view.

Stop The ACLU » Blog Archive » Abortionist Happy to Kill — Free of all Moral Concern


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I am all for Government Licensing of Birth. Get all the fat fucks off of welfare.

this and in the mean time, sex education in school's, encouraging no sex and if you must, encouraging safe sex procedures allowing girls to go to a doctor and get birth control without having to face her parents.

i think there's a lot that could be done that can limit the need for abortion, but it has to start with the youth making the babies and as long as they are left in the dark about the repercussions of irresponsible sex, this will be an issue.

focus on them, all the silly irresponsible adult baby makers will eventually die off, ideally leaving a more sexually responsible generation that can do something to limit over population.



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this and in the mean time, sex education in school's, encouraging no sex and if you must, encouraging safe sex procedures allowing girls to go to a doctor and get birth control without having to face her parents.

i think there's a lot that could be done that can limit the need for abortion, but it has to start with the youth making the babies and as long as they are left in the dark about the repercussions of irresponsible sex, this will be an issue.

focus on them, all the silly irresponsible adult baby makers will eventually die off, ideally leaving a more sexually responsible generation that can do something to limit over population.

Except such organizations as Planned Paranthood want birth control available to children as young as 11 and zero parental notification.

Top that with them fighting the teaching of abstinence and you can see why this problem is only getting worse.


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Very abusive post from a degenerate thug.

You're the one spewing the most hatred here, not I. So far I've been answering objectively from a different angle. You though have become extremely emotional and aggressive.

Pro-lifers always turn out to be very irrational and violent.

Said the asshole who thinks humans are parasites. Why don't you serve your Goddess Earth and kill yourself now.
  
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Call it what you like, but abortion is a necessary evil. Trust me, no woman skips off to the clinic with glee. Its a physically and emotionally painful event and I sincerely hope that no one ever has to endure it in their lifetime. However, there is a need for it.

I can think of hundreds of justifiable occasions where abortion should be considered.

And someone else will think of a hundred more on why I'm wrong.

I don't like abortion. I don't agree with many reasons people give for using it. BUT, if its made illegal, then we have a whole host of other problems that will occur. Unsanitary, botched, even fatal surgery that costs the unborn "life" as well as its carrier. Women resulting to being beaten, kicked, or pelted with rocks like in some middle eastern countries. Unimaginable numbers of babies with no one to care for them with any number of special needs conditions. Children born to drug addicts, homeless, prostitues, victims of rape, mentally ill , retarded, or just plain irresponsible youth.

I could see greater possiblities if we lived in a country where child support was absolutely manditory and persued in every case, or if we had socialized medicine and these needy children could be provided for regardless of income. Otherwise, people are forced to make a choice. Sometimes its for selfish reasons and sometimes its simply because they know they can't give this new "life" the very best he/she deserves.

I also think our sex education policies directly play a role in abortion rates. But thats a whole other arguement on whose responsibility that should be.
  
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part your argument that I don't agree with comes back to something else you stated.

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I could see greater possiblities if we lived in a country where child support was absolutely manditory and persued in every case, or if we had socialized medicine and these needy children could be provided for regardless of income. Otherwise, people are forced to make a choice. Sometimes its for selfish reasons and sometimes its simply because they know they can't give this new "life" the very best he/she deserves.

I also think our sex education policies directly play a role in abortion rates. But thats a whole other arguement on whose responsibility that should be.
We have a saying here in Wyoming .... "a good cowgirl keeps her calfs together" ... the simple answer is, don't sleep around, if your willing to have sex, expect to support a child.

Here in the US there is one demographic that has a 76% out of wedlock birthrate. They also have a higher then average abortion rate for the same reasons. That demographic thinks this is perfectly acceptable behavior because they expect society to help raise the child and the father isn't held accountable for it. They even brag about, and try to outdo each other to see who can get the most Baby's momma's. And the public School (screw-all) system and the gansta culture feed into that.

You want to solve that problem, teach them self respect, educate them, and make them responsible for their actions.

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I'm not disagreeing that there are people out there who abuse the system anyway they can...

I see it all the time myself. I hear tales of people auctioning off their kids SSI numbers so someone else can get a fucking tax break.

However, those who really do need the help, often it is not available to them.

I do think education is the key, the more conservative we become in an overly-sexed world, the worse the teen pregnancy issue will get. Open discussion and answering question is the only way to solve that problem.
  
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I do think education is the key, the more conservative we become in an overly-sexed world, the worse the teen pregnancy issue will get. Open discussion and answering question is the only way to solve that problem.
I agree we need open discussion but I think we need to be more conservative instead of less.

The more liberal and open the screw-all system becomes the more the teen pregnancy rate goes up.

Ever hear of a rainbow party? There is actually a book that is commonly found in schools that has a target audience of 11-15 year olds that teaches how to have one.

Planned Parenthood lobbies our school system to teach kids how to have sex, how to experiment with it, but doesn't push the consequences of their actions. And the try to prevent abstinence instruction. They even got the ACLU to try and take it to the supreme court on the basis that it's religious based teaching so it doesn't belong in public school.


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There was never a book in any of my schools showing how to have whatever that is. I've never heard of anyone that had such a book their schools.


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I found it in the middle school in Twin Falls Idaho. Also in Evanston and several in Salt Lake City.

I have family that found it in nebraska, california, washington state, florida, new york, and georgia.

All of them were in public libararies and in middle schools.


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