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What Gay & Lesbian Activists Won't Tell You - 02-16-04

What Gay & Lesbian Activists Won't Tell You or Your Children: Homosexual Myths and Realities

MYTH: Homosexuality is an inborn trait. REALITY: There is no credible scientific evidence that homosexuality is a genetically-acquired trait. In fact, the tremendous variability in sexual beliefs and practices around the world suggest that sexuality is a learned or cultural part of the human condition.

MYTH: Since homosexuals have no control over their homosexuality, society should accept their sexuality. REALITY: Most gay men have had sexual relations with women and many convert to heterosexuality every year. Even if all people are innately bisexual, as most radical gay/lesbian activists' claim, either normal socialization or specialized therapy and counselling have succeeded in channelling this bisexuality into heterosexuality in 70% of cases. Even if all homosexuals actually had no choice in being homosexual, this still does not automatically make their lifestyle socially or morally equivalent to heterosexuality.

MYTH: Ten percent of people are homosexual. REALITY: This figure is based on Kinsey's fraudulent research. In fact, only between 2-4% of people are committed homosexuals or bisexuals.

MYTH: Homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder. REALITY: Though radical activists intimidated the profession to "normalize" homosexuality in 1973, 70% of psychiatrists continue to view it as a treatable pathology.

MYTH: The diversity of sexual behaviour liberates people from an oppressive and compulsory heterosexuality. REALITY: Sexual promiscuity has always relegated women to a marginal social and political position. Confining sex to marriage by sanctions against premarital relations, adultery, and homosexuality has enhanced the status of women by giving them control over a scarce and highly valued "resource," their own sexuality.

MYTH: It doesn't or shouldn't matter, except to those directly involved, what kind of sex people engage in. REALITY: Left in a "state of nature" human culture would never have developed. The history of Western civilization has been intimately linked to the history of the channelling of human sexuality into the Judeo-Christian ideal of marital sex. Every civilized society that has failed to recognize that the naturally promiscuous human male has to be constrained by strong moral sanctions has paid the price, as our own society is now paying with growing rates of adultery, pornography, child prostitution, sexually-transmitted disease, illegitimacy, divorce, suicide, and single-parenthood.

MYTH: Homosexuality is compatible with normal family life. REALITY: Homosexuality is a denial of one of the most important functions of family life, the perpetuation of life itself through procreation. There are some primitive societies in which homosexuality is so pervasive that population survival is maintained only by kidnapping children from neighbouring tribes.

MYTH: To discriminate against people because of their sexual preference is just like discriminating against people because of skin colour. REALITY: When Black people are discriminated against it is because of what they are; when gays are condemned it is because of what they do. Verbal or physical gay-bashing is unacceptable but this is not the same as saying that gay sex is socially and morally acceptable. It is one thing to grant homosexuals the same legal protections that other citizens have; it is another to grant them the same legal privileges (e.g., marriage) or to celebrate homosexuality as a societally desirable way to live.

MYTH: Society has no right to judge the diverse sexual practices of its citizens. REALITY: If this were true, then society would also have no right to condemn incest, paedophilia, rape necrophilia, and bestiality.

MYTH: The homosexual lifestyle is no different from the heterosexual lifestyle. REALITY: The typical gay man has had between 300-500 sexual "partners." Many gay men have has thousands of one-time sexual encounters. Many bisexual and gay men have never kissed another man condemning such affection as sissified or vulgar.

MYTH: Those who condemn homosexuality are homophobic bigots. REALITY: Although there is no such scientifically established pathological fear called "homophobia," this has not prevented gay and lesbian activists from misusing science in their hugely successful effort to portray those who do not support all of their demands (same-sex marriage, homosexual men permitted to be Big Brothers, etc.) as being right-wing Christian bigots simply because they do not share the activists' values. To argue that marital sex is the best arena for the expression of sexuality, is no more "homophobic" than to say that it is wrong to have sex with young boys is "paedophobic." If there is a paranoid fear, it is a terrible "liberal" anxiety of offending homosexuals by implying that their lifestyle is any less worthy of praise than the lifestyle of married people. But what about the widely-accepted lesbian activist position that: "lesbianism is the key to liberation and only women who cut their ties to male privilege can remain trusted to remain serious in the struggle against male dominance." Isn't this heterophobic bigotry?

MYTH: Gay/lesbian activists speak for the majority of homosexuals. REALITY: Most homosexuals no more support a radical homosexual agenda than do heterosexuals support a radical heterosexual agenda (e.g., one based on "free love" or "group marriage"). Gay/lesbian activists therefore speak mainly to and for themselves and represent a small minority of a small minority.

MYTH: There is no hidden "homocentric" agenda. All gay/lesbian activists want is the same protection from verbal and physical abuse as heterosexuals. REALITY: Many homosexual activists want to abolish laws governing the age of sexual congress to allow adults to have sex with "consenting" children of any age, the right that young children be taught "safe" homosexual acts in schools, the repeal of all laws against child prostitution, the right to adopt minor children, and the repeal of all laws restricting the sex or number of persons entering into a lawful marriage unit. The "Gay Rights Platform" calls for "encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle, as a viable alternative to heterosexuality."

MYTH: The public schools have a duty, if not a right, to teach students about sexual identity. REALITY: The public schools are a creation and reflection of society. Why should they be forced to set up a special programme to satisfy the moral-political agenda of a tiny special-interest group whose values most parents do not agree with? Public schools were established to teach literacy, numeracy, and to impart the wisdom of the ages, something many of them are not doing ver well. If so many of our schools are doing such a poor job teaching the tree Rs, how can they be trusted to impart knowledge about such a complex, politically charged, and sensitive issue as human sexuality?

MYTH: Winnipeg School Division No. I homosexual students are subjected to pervasive and systemic harassment. REALITY: Where is the evidence for this assertion? In fact, if there is any victimization of gays/lesbians, it is trivial compared to the daily harassment of students who are fat, short, belong to visible minorities, etc. Parents, teachers, and school board officials should continue to condemn all forms of hurtful and demeaning name-calling.

MYTH: Refusing to allow children to openly discuss their homosexual preference in the classroom is immoral and unethical. REALITY: If Christian or Jewish parents teach their children that homosexuality is sinful and unnatural, what gives gay/lesbian activists the right to call such instruction immoral and unethical?

MYTH: The best way to attack homophobia is to incorporate gay/gender issues into the curriculum. REALITY: Any other "phobia" identified by any other small special-interest group would require the same treatment. Serbs could rightly demand "Serbian Studies" to combat the Serb bashing that will continue for years to come because of the war in Yugoslavia.

MYTH: When students are taught about homosexuality in Winnipeg School Division No. 1, they will be taught both the myths and the realities. REALITY: Wherever the teaching of homosexuality has been introduced into the public schools only the morally desanitized myths are taught, and they are taught as the Gospel truth.
  
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02-16-04

Homophobic rhetoric is all this is. It started out as a decent enough argument, but then spiraled into pure nonsense. Do you read these things thoroughly before you copy & paste?


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02-17-04

Oh my god. At least 75% of that is pure bullshit. And extremely radical bullshit to boot.


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02-17-04

actually id say only 15 % of its radical, the rest is just common sense.
  
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For the open-minded intellectual, very little of that is common sense.


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please, open-minded is not a synonym for pro queer marriages. Open minded means open to all possibilities, to which you are not.
  
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please, open-minded is not a synonym for pro queer marriages. Open minded means open to all possibilities, to which you are not.
And something that you are far from being.


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Sorry JP, youre wrong, im for negotiation, you and your pro homo activists dont care about rights, just the destruction of ther traditional family unit.
  
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Sorry JP, youre wrong, im for negotiation, you and your pro homo activists dont care about rights, just the destruction of ther traditional family unit.
Hilarious. The "Tradition" bit again.
If you didn't realize most traditions have become lost due to the society's needs and overall wants. Women have stopped being basic baby raising kitchen users, and have turned into extremely valuable members of society. The once done act of burning people at the stake due to witchcraft has long since become lost, and overall no changes in tradition have damaged or hurt the world.

Also, Heterosexuals have done far worse to marriage than any same-sex marriage ever could. If you look at the fact that now there's around a 40-60% divorce rate, the fact that some people in society use marriages as a publicity stunt, and that many don't even get married in a religious manner then you must admit that there have been massive changes since the days of the 14 year olds marrying 40 year olds.

The fact is that you're either a homophobe, or that you're just a plain straight up racist.

I'll let you do the picking.


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you can write a ton of crap JP, i wont bother reading the same old nonsense, noone can seem to explain why homos dont want the rights and are only afte rthe title.. can you? of course not, why? because you dont want to admit this isnt about rights its about killing marriages and the traditional values of normal people.
  
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you can call me a racist if you want or a homophobe, you obviously fail to understand the meaning to both words, but ill leave you to it... im the one who wants rights for gay civil unions, youre the one who wants to give them a marriage cert without any rights and want to stop others from getting the same rights, which i guess makes you a hipocrite.
  
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...what the hell are you on?
Honestly, tell me what the hell you are on.
I have never once said I want marriages to no longer have any form of worth or overall "bonus" for being.

I am for allowing same-sex marriages.
Hell, Amendment 14 of the US Constitution allows for same-sex marriages.
However you're the one who doesn't want them to be able to get married.

You haven't given a good reason why, and for some obscure reason you believe that the fact that you wish to discriminate against them isn't on par with the basic racist feelings of many of the more die-hard bigots of today.

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yawn, JP go research your position, and then come back with a real answer as to why Increased civil unions for non religious bonds of matrimony wouldnt be enough, even if they include all 1400 of the same rights as a marriage certificate. thanks.
  
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yawn, JP go research your position, and then come back with a real answer as to why Increased civil unions for non religious bonds of matrimony wouldnt be enough, even if they include all 1400 of the same rights as a marriage certificate. thanks.
Wow, not only is your point completely and utterly idiotic, but also your overall grammar is atrocious and you yet again failed to realize that I'm not talking about allowing for civil unions but marriages themselves.

Maybe you need to learn how to READ and WRITE before you post? Yes, that might help you out just a wee bit.


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[quote=ssliasil]What Gay & Lesbian Activists Won't Tell You or Your Children: Homosexual Myths and Realities

MYTH: Homosexuality is an inborn trait. REALITY: There is no credible scientific evidence that homosexuality is a genetically-acquired trait. In fact, the tremendous variability in sexual beliefs and practices around the world suggest that sexuality is a learned or cultural part of the human condition.

However....why is it wrong if it occurs? I don't like fish however In countires where fish is the stbale I would grow to tolerate or even like it. The simple fact is, it's an acquired factor that has the self same impact with regards to your life

MYTH: Since homosexuals have no control over their homosexuality, society should accept their sexuality. REALITY: Most gay men have had sexual relations with women and many convert to heterosexuality every year. Even if all people are innately bisexual, as most radical gay/lesbian activists' claim, either normal socialization or specialized therapy and counselling have succeeded in channelling this bisexuality into heterosexuality in 70% of cases. Even if all homosexuals actually had no choice in being homosexual, this still does not automatically make their lifestyle socially or morally equivalent to heterosexuality.

Conversion....maybe people are attracted to more then just gender?

MYTH: Ten percent of people are homosexual. REALITY: This figure is based on Kinsey's fraudulent research. In fact, only between 2-4% of people are committed homosexuals or bisexuals.

This is about right, the Kinsey report was highly flawed

MYTH: Homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder. REALITY: Though radical activists intimidated the profession to "normalize" homosexuality in 1973, 70% of psychiatrists continue to view it as a treatable pathology.

Psychiatrists could treat a lot of factors about you that you consider normal. Just because one can doens't mean one should!

MYTH: The diversity of sexual behaviour liberates people from an oppressive and compulsory heterosexuality. REALITY: Sexual promiscuity has always relegated women to a marginal social and political position. Confining sex to marriage by sanctions against premarital relations, adultery, and homosexuality has enhanced the status of women by giving them control over a scarce and highly valued "resource," their own sexuality.

Erm women being masters of their own sexual destiny is a problem?.....you mysogynist

MYTH: It doesn't or shouldn't matter, except to those directly involved, what kind of sex people engage in. REALITY: Left in a "state of nature" human culture would never have developed. The history of Western civilization has been intimately linked to the history of the channelling of human sexuality into the Judeo-Christian ideal of marital sex. Every civilized society that has failed to recognize that the naturally promiscuous human male has to be constrained by strong moral sanctions has paid the price, as our own society is now paying with growing rates of adultery, pornography, child prostitution, sexually-transmitted disease, illegitimacy, divorce, suicide, and single-parenthood.

Yet even today those who espouse the highest moral virtues are found to lead the most decadent lives free of the shakles they preach!

MYTH: Homosexuality is compatible with normal family life. REALITY: Homosexuality is a denial of one of the most important functions of family life, the perpetuation of life itself through procreation. There are some primitive societies in which homosexuality is so pervasive that population survival is maintained only by kidnapping children from neighbouring tribes.

Priests are celibate by choice, If people can live with out it, then let them. Are you equating to the westenr worlds gay men to child kidnappers?


MYTH: To discriminate against people because of their sexual preference is just like discriminating against people because of skin colour. REALITY: When Black people are discriminated against it is because of what they are; when gays are condemned it is because of what they do. Verbal or physical gay-bashing is unacceptable but this is not the same as saying that gay sex is socially and morally acceptable. It is one thing to grant homosexuals the same legal protections that other citizens have; it is another to grant them the same legal privileges (e.g., marriage) or to celebrate homosexuality as a societally desirable way to live.

If this is right, and I don't for one minute beleive it Then surely it is perfectly acceptable for me to persecute christians! Afterall it s not what you are but what you do!

MYTH: Society has no right to judge the diverse sexual practices of its citizens. REALITY: If this were true, then society would also have no right to condemn incest, paedophilia, rape necrophilia, and bestiality.


however you miss out the notion of consent! Adults can give consent, animals and minors cannot and rape victims do not. Consenting adults is a very apt term


MYTH: The homosexual lifestyle is no different from the heterosexual lifestyle. REALITY: The typical gay man has had between 300-500 sexual "partners." Many gay men have has thousands of one-time sexual encounters. Many bisexual and gay men have never kissed another man condemning such affection as sissified or vulgar.

These are true facts, but many hetro males boast about their conquests.

MYTH: Those who condemn homosexuality are homophobic bigots. REALITY: Although there is no such scientifically established pathological fear called "homophobia," this has not prevented gay and lesbian activists from misusing science in their hugely successful effort to portray those who do not support all of their demands (same-sex marriage, homosexual men permitted to be Big Brothers, etc.) as being right-wing Christian bigots simply because they do not share the activists' values. To argue that marital sex is the best arena for the expression of sexuality, is no more "homophobic" than to say that it is wrong to have sex with young boys is "paedophobic." If there is a paranoid fear, it is a terrible "liberal" anxiety of offending homosexuals by implying that their lifestyle is any less worthy of praise than the lifestyle of married people. But what about the widely-accepted lesbian activist position that: "lesbianism is the key to liberation and only women who cut their ties to male privilege can remain trusted to remain serious in the struggle against male dominance." Isn't this heterophobic bigotry?

I don't beleive that the married couple is the best arena for sexual expression I think any stable loving relationship is! Anyone who thinks sex and marriage should only be for procrative purposes, should understand that procreation is all that matters so sex is all important so compatability should be a major issue. Anyone who thinsk of it as an expression of intimacy would not have such problems

MYTH: Gay/lesbian activists speak for the majority of homosexuals. REALITY: Most homosexuals no more support a radical homosexual agenda than do heterosexuals support a radical heterosexual agenda (e.g., one based on "free love" or "group marriage"). Gay/lesbian activists therefore speak mainly to and for themselves and represent a small minority of a small minority.

All activists speak from the smallest minority standpoint. Their own perception. this is neither new nor radical

MYTH: There is no hidden "homocentric" agenda. All gay/lesbian activists want is the same protection from verbal and physical abuse as heterosexuals. REALITY: Many homosexual activists want to abolish laws governing the age of sexual congress to allow adults to have sex with "consenting" children of any age, the right that young children be taught "safe" homosexual acts in schools, the repeal of all laws against child prostitution, the right to adopt minor children, and the repeal of all laws restricting the sex or number of persons entering into a lawful marriage unit. The "Gay Rights Platform" calls for "encouragement and support for sex education courses, prepared and taught by Gay women and men, presenting homosexuality as a valid, healthy preference and lifestyle, as a viable alternative to heterosexuality."

This is utter bollocks. I'm sorry, but when someone shows me proof for this utter drivel, I'll actually respond with reeasoned debate.

MYTH: The public schools have a duty, if not a right, to teach students about sexual identity. REALITY: The public schools are a creation and reflection of society. Why should they be forced to set up a special programme to satisfy the moral-political agenda of a tiny special-interest group whose values most parents do not agree with? Public schools were established to teach literacy, numeracy, and to impart the wisdom of the ages, something many of them are not doing ver well. If so many of our schools are doing such a poor job teaching the tree Rs, how can they be trusted to impart knowledge about such a complex, politically charged, and sensitive issue as human sexuality?

Schools should edcuate their pupils to deal with the world in which their going to live. there's gay people in dem der hills!

MYTH: Winnipeg School Division No. I homosexual students are subjected to pervasive and systemic harassment. REALITY: Where is the evidence for this assertion? In fact, if there is any victimization of gays/lesbians, it is trivial compared to the daily harassment of students who are fat, short, belong to visible minorities, etc. Parents, teachers, and school board officials should continue to condemn all forms of hurtful and demeaning name-calling.

I can't agree more with this...proove your arguement or shut up.


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Who defines what the age of consent is for a minor? also does this mean we should legalize marriages between brother and sisters? How about people who are bodily 40 years old but have had enough mental trauma that thier mind stays the same as an 11 year old? Should they be allowed marriages too? they can give consent.
  
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