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Mayhem Discuss recasting/patryn in the Discussions forums; Originally posted by patryn nope, just new england orientals. tell that to my asian friends from Gerogia, Chicago and California then. open your world up a bit pat, theres more ...

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nope, just new england orientals.
tell that to my asian friends from Gerogia, Chicago and California then. open your world up a bit pat, theres more in this country than just your little town.
  
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no shit billy, and amazingly you are the first person i've ever heard say that.



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good, now that you know, you can begin to apply it.
  
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sure thing. just as soon as they stop using terms like european, irish, scottish, etc. along with other descriptive words like blond or obese.



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wow. political correctness, which is something one can nearly never get correct.

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thou...


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forsooth.
  
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i dont remember THAT in Stranger in a Strange Land


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sure thing. just as soon as they stop using terms like european, irish, scottish, etc. along with other descriptive words like blond or obese.
nonsense, blonde and european are current words not used in a negative light... dumbass.
  
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its FRENCH you gotta watch out for...


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i have never heard the term oriental used in a negative light either since its the same fucking description of where one comes from, dipshit.



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actually dickbreath they come from Asia, not oriental.

Oriental is a term coined by colonial powers used derogatively to refer to a people they subjugated asscheek.

if you had an asian friend or two, you might have known that. cum stain.
  
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Washington State Illegalizes ~{!.~}O~{!/~} Word
Philippine News, Cherie M. Querol Moreno, Apr 17, 2002

OLYMPIA, Wash. - Anyone who studied Asian American history knows that the word ~{!0~}Oriental~{!1~} conjures up images of people less than savage as the term was used in Europe and then the United States in the last three centuries. And now the state of Washington has officially acknowledged the term as derogatory and offensive and banned it from all public text.
~{!0~}Asian~{!1~} rather than ~{!0~}Oriental~{!1~} will be used to refer to the people of the racial category in all government statutes, codes, and regulations, even if many unknowingly interchange the ~{!0~}O~{!1~} word with the term ~{!0~}Asian,~{!1~} and that covers anything Filipino American.

~{!0~}Oriental~{!1~} will be stricken from all government documents here beginning July 1, 2002, thanks to state Senator Paul Shin, key sponsor of Senate Bill 5954 or legislation Updating Obsolete Language. First introduced in February 2001, the bill was passed in the state Senate and House in March 2002. Governor Gary Locke, the first governor of Asian descent on the mainland, signed it April 2.

~{!0~}I cannot tell you how proud I am of our state for finally passing a law that simply says Washington will no longer tolerate offensive words in our laws and regulations,~{!1~} Shin, a Democrat representing Edmonds and the only Asian Pacific American incumbent in the Washington State Senate, told Philippine News.

When used to describe inanimate objects, ~{!0~}oriental~{!1~} is the appropriate adjective, such as ~{!0~}oriental rug~{!1~} or ~{!0~}oriental jewelry.~{!1~} In reference to the people and the culture, ~{!0~}oriental~{!1~} is fraught with negative stereotypes ascribed to Asians by westerners.

~{!0~}The word ~{!.~}oriental~{!/~} carries with it racist overtones and anyone who thinks that those offended by it are just hypersensitive do not understand the implications of what it means to be stereotyped,~{!1~} Washington Rep. Velma Veloria told PNews.
The Webster~{!/~}s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language in its updated revised deluxe edition defines the term as ~{!0~}pertaining to or characteristic of the Orient or the East, belonging to a geographical division comprising Asia and the Malay archipelago or a native or inhabitant of the orient.~{!1~} Printed in 1996, the entry does not indicate the term as offensive.

Originally meant ~{!0~}from the direction of the rising sun,~{!1~} according to Shin, the term ~{!0~}has absorbed the connotations of centuries of colonialism and oppression.~{!1~}

Shin explained why he first proposed the legislation in February 2001: ~{!0~}Beginning in the 17th century, the British empire popularized the use of the word Oriental, which was a western way to refer to someone from east of London. Use of this pejorative word is no longer appropriate when referring to people. My greatest concern is for our youth -that they learn to be more sensitive to different cultures and ideas. And that they pass that sensitivity to future generations. I hope this new, long overdue law will help them do so.~{!1~}

Many Asian Americans are unaware that the term ~{!0~}Oriental~{!1~} is offensive because the term is often used in their home countries to refer to its citizens, the Philippines included, especially because the Philippines is also known as the ~{!0~}Pearl of the Orient.~{!1~} In Europe and the United States, however, the term acquired a Eurocentric depiction of the worst of Asian habits and lifestyles. Hence the word ~{!0~}Oriental~{!1~} was spoken with derision. To Asian Americans who know its historical reference, the term is as repugnant as the ~{!0~}N~{!1~} word used to slur African Americans. ~{!0~}Many people didn~{!/~}t realize the term had negative connotations,~{!1~} Shin legislative aide Scott Passey told PNews how constituents responded to consultations about the issue. ~{!0~}But once they understood, they were very agreeable. A few simply refused to believe the word was negative despite the historical evidence and dictionary references.~{!1~}

~{!0~}The major issue here is one of self-identity and self-determination,~{!1~} Shin stressed. ~{!0~}Members of the Asian community have told me that they are offended to be referred to as ~{!.~}Oriental~{!/~} in our state statutes. The definition of the word notwithstanding, its various applications, such as ~{!.~}exotic,~{!/~} ~{!.~}strange,~{!/~} and so forth is demeaning. While many Asians under European colonial influence have not been educated to the application of the word, they now understand its meaning and connotations. This is similar to the reason why blacks do not wish to be called ~{!.~}Negros (sic).~{!/!1~}

Washington has one of the highest concentrations of Asians in the United States, 395,741 of single-race or in combination with one or more other races, 65,373 single-race Filipinos among them. The state is one of the few to elect Filipino Americans to the Legislature. Besides Veloria, there~{!/~}s David Valderrama (D-Maryland), Jon Amores (D-West Virginia, and Jeff Coleman (D-Pennsylvania) on the mainland, Republican David Pendleton among a handful state representatives in Hawaii.) It is the home of the International District, an area in downtown Seattle where many Asians first settled.

Washington State is the birthplace of the Filipino American National Historical Society which has chapters throughout the United States. In the middle 1980s, the state was represented by a Filipino American in the Miss America beauty pageant.
SB5954 was co-sponsored by state Senators Roach, Oke, Costa, Patterson, Hargrove, T. Sheldon, Hochstatter , Eide and Jacobsen. The legislation encountered a few humps along the way. ~{!0~}When the bill was brought up in the House last year, we were in a 49-49 tie,~{!1~} Veloria told PNews. ~{!0~}The co-chair of State Government, Rep. Cathy McMorris who happens to be Republican, killed the bill in committee. Our whole Democratic caucus was in disbelief.

~{!0~}This year because of the House Democrats~{!/~} one vote majority, the bill was passed out of the committee and unto the House floor, thus allowing passage,~{!1~} Veloria expressed relief.

Locke signed the bill to law one month early for Asian Pacific American Heritage Month.


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Ackshully, orientals originally refered to Persians.

It comes from the latin for rising as in rising sun, as in east of where we are.

For a time it was used to descibe anything eastward (that's where the orient express got it's name from, it travelled east west)

Fact remains though that if someone views the term as derogatory then it is derogatory to them, it's subjective.


It's like the whole "don't call me miss, it's mizz" wtf?



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this refers to what you were saying Fero.
  
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Ackshully, orientals originally refered to Persians.

It comes from the latin for rising as in rising sun, as in east of where we are.

For a time it was used to descibe anything eastward (that's where the orient express got it's name from, it travelled east west)

Fact remains though that if someone views the term as derogatory then it is derogatory to them, it's subjective.


It's like the whole "don't call me miss, it's mizz" wtf?
is the word nigger dergoative? or is it subjective? its generally viewed as derogative.. im going with its derogative, Oriental has become the same way.
  
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meh... fuck it... i dont mind being called cracker by the niggas or mick by the spics, so why should THEY be all offended?


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because they get enough shit as it is, living in a white mans country? although i AM white... i HAVE felt this same situation myself . i grew up in black niehborhoods... i know how it feels to be watched every second that youre outside, to be hated for something you cant control, to be differnt form all the people you see and associate with... and thats just life... and then to be called derogative names and words for it is just even worse.

this is what some minorities deal with every day of thier life and MOST white people can NEVER understand what that means. because they have never been in that situation before.
  
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nothing to do with colonial billy. orient is latin for east. since europeans used themselves as a base for commerce, etc, then the asians were east of them, or oriental. they don't like the word due to the fact that it is a european based word. i'd guess because they consider it inferior to being the center. i don't see the hoopla as most people base their views and what not about where they are. i didn't think that asia included japan and a couple other countries. i also said i do have asian friends. not as much now i'm out of college. maybe you ought to try and read billie. also come up with a good argument, not some washington state bs and a bunch of namecalling that makes you look 4. it appears you are right and for the reasons i just noted. there was also some mentione of the terms being relating to the fall of the roman empire but i think it was more a relation then anything.



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because they get enough shit as it is, living in a white mans country? although i AM white... i HAVE felt this same situation myself . i grew up in black niehborhoods... i know how it feels to be watched every second that youre outside, to be hated for something you cant control, to be differnt form all the people you see and associate with... and thats just life... and then to be called derogative names and words for it is just even worse.

this is what some minorities deal with every day of thier life and MOST white people can NEVER understand what that means. because they have never been in that situation before.
really? well guess what... i went to Sylvan in Atlanta... one of maybe two or three white kids in the entire school... if i could shrug it off easily, no one else should have that excuse... hell, i get pretty much the same thing from Navajos and Hispanics where i am now...

its a matter of personal integrity... if they try to insult me by saying i dont understand cause im just an opressive bellagonna or cracker, i take it as a sign of their own issues, not mine. hell, i even throw it back in their faces... some dont like it... but thats their problem... others get it rather easily... we're fucking HUMAN... thats all... regio