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Originally Posted by Qoji Gimmie a fuckin break. I'm gonna go with the "Your not as good as us and therefore shouldn't be treated as good as us" mentallity of the people with the money and power at the time. | Hmmm your definition of the problem is cute, but wrong and without merit. Way to with the cutting off the quote in mid sentence. Look people like you and your liberal white guilt pals are the reason why they are stuck in the hood, when you convince someone that they are worthless by tireless head patting and mothering you cant expect them to act mature. You drastically underestimate the role of culture. Which is unfortunate, but yes please pretend there is a vast conspiricy of evil white ex plantation owners out there keeping a brotha down. Its much easier than reality. | |
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Originally Posted by Wicked Lady Compensation from whom? The former owners certainly couldn't compensate them monetarily. | I have a hard time believing that, but if so, then the people who freed em. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Wicked Lady I am aware of the "40 acres and a mule" advertisements made by Sherman to compensate freed slaves. They were given 40 acre tracts of land in abandoned southern territories, along with any animals deemed "no longer useful" by the military. | I'd question the quality of both the land and the mules there. They got the shitty end of the stick up here in that respect. | |
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd Hmmm your definition of the problem is cute, but wrong and without merit. Way to with the cutting off the quote in mid sentence. Look people like you and your liberal white guilt pals are the reason why they are stuck in the hood, when you convince someone that they are worthless by tireless head patting and mothering you cant expect them to act mature. You drastically underestimate the role of culture. Which is unfortunate, but yes please pretend there is a vast conspiricy of evil white ex plantation owners out there keeping a brotha down. Its much easier than reality. | How was it wrong?
Way to ignore my question of how freedom is compensation, too.
Rest of quote: "The Left, says Sowell, has turned dysfunctional "black redneck" culture into "a sacrosanct symbol of racial identity."
That's complete and utter horseshit, for the reason I just explained. Didn't think this part of the quote was necessary.
Rest of your post is horseshit as well. | |
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Originally Posted by Qoji I have a hard time believing that, but if so, then the people who freed em.
I'd question the quality of both the land and the mules there. They got the shitty end of the stick up here in that respect. | Gee, if I was born into slavery and suddenly I was freed and was given a plot of land... Id be pretty fucking ecstatic! | |
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd Because blacks stopped fending for themselves and started shifting thier culture and relying on the government, today we see the results, they are DEAD LAST in everything. Even behind Mexican illegals who come here. | This wouldn't explain how they first got to this condition, but would help explain why it continues. This is exactly what happened to the Natives up here. | |
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd Gee, if I was born into slavery and suddenly I was freed and was given a plot of land... Id be pretty fucking ecstatic! | Well that explains how freedom and a plot of land (assuming it's good for something) is compensation, unfortunetly that wasn't my question. | |
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Originally Posted by Qoji How was it wrong?
Way to ignore my question of how freedom is compensation, too.
Rest of quote: "The Left, says Sowell, has turned dysfunctional "black redneck" culture into "a sacrosanct symbol of racial identity."
That's complete and utter horseshit, for the reason I just explained. Didn't think this part of the quote was necessary.
Rest of your post is horseshit as well. | Its wrong because you dont offer a realistic premise, nor did you make a real statement. Who are the evil people with all the money? The entire idea is ridiculous. You didnt even take into account culture. Or how Blacks could do so well then suddenly do so poorly.
How is freedom compensation? Well, its more than they had in slavery. Its compensation because its like handing someone carte blanche to make thier own money and life. Thats how.
You didnt explain how its horseshit.. you made a dodgy claim based on emotionalism instead of founded logic... sorry you lose. Play again, Drink Pepsi. | |
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Originally Posted by Qoji This wouldn't explain how they first got to this condition, but would help explain why it continues. This is exactly what happened to the Natives up here. | Actually, its pretty obvious you havent read much on the subject. AGAIN. BLACKS WERE DOING WELL IN THE 40s and 50s!
They DIDNT need aid or help, they were doing well despite the racism. They had thier own stores, thier own ethnic enclaves they were on the poise of making it. They were neck and neck with the Irish and Italians who were still struggling.
Get it now fool?
It was the liberal movements in the 60s that changed that. They were told they were victims all the time that they couldnt succeed no matter what. And they started to believe it, so they stopped trying. THATS what happend. | |
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Originally Posted by Qoji Well that explains how freedom and a plot of land (assuming it's good for something) is compensation, unfortunetly that wasn't my question. | I dont believe they were promised a GOOD plot of land, just a plot of land. | |
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Originally Posted by Qoji I have a hard time believing that, but if so, then the people who freed em.
I'd question the quality of both the land and the mules there. They got the shitty end of the stick up here in that respect. |
How do you have a hard time believing that? The South existed because of slavery. The entire economic base was slavery. Without slaves, it wasn't economically feasible to work the land on that scale. Without slaves, cotton and tobacco production would have dwindled to the same amount of output as the family farm. Who do you think supplied the northern states with these staples? It certainly wasn't Cananada. The Civil War was fought in the south. On southern land. What kind of destruction does war have on a nation?
I suggest you read up on Sherman's march. That'll dispell any doubts you have over whether or not the former slave owners were able to compensate the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of slaves they had owned. In Memory of the Busby Babes :
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Originally Posted by Qoji I do to, but it's exactly what Billy is talking about. Cultures don't come out of thin air, they're developed over time and are passed down the generations. | Yes, and you then learn from it, integrate it, use it in a positive way
But please stop the whining and misusing it over and over and over again and look towards the future. It's much more productive.
Same with slavery and the holocaust....yes it was bad, and now move on and stop pulling that one out everytime something comes up. "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Mahatma Ghandi | |
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd Actually, its pretty obvious you havent read much on the subject. AGAIN. BLACKS WERE DOING WELL IN THE 40s and 50s!
They DIDNT need aid or help, they were doing well despite the racism. They had thier own stores, thier own ethnic enclaves they were on the poise of making it. They were neck and neck with the Irish and Italians who were still struggling.
Get it now fool?
It was the liberal movements in the 60s that changed that. They were told they were victims all the time that they couldnt succeed no matter what. And they started to believe it, so they stopped trying. THATS what happend. | Lol, there you go again. Your premise is unsuccessful. They were struggling and still are. They did need aid but didn't have it. That was the whole purpose of the struggle.
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Welfare, affirmative action, foodstamps, hate crime laws. If anything, blacks should be coasting through life. There's no "struggle" when you mooch off the government. In Memory of the Busby Babes :
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Originally Posted by Sectrefocal1.2 Lol, there you go again. Your premise is unsuccessful. They were struggling and still are. They did need aid but didn't have it. That was the whole purpose of the struggle.
They weren't brainwashed or ga gad over as the test rats or pets of liberals you'd like to believe. | No the premise is correct, youre just wobbling like a standard liberal without an argument. Blacks performed better pre 60s than post 60s. WHat happen in and after the 60s that effected black people? Hmmm?
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Originally Posted by Wicked Lady Welfare, affirmative action, foodstamps, hate crime laws. If anything, blacks should be coasting through life. There's no "struggle" when you mooch off the government. | Dont forget HUD. | |
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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd No the premise is correct, youre just wobbling like a standard liberal without an argument. Blacks performed better pre 60s than post 60s. WHat happen in and after the 60s that effected black people? Hmmm?
Again try getting an education and reading a little bit before you attempt to box with the big boys. mmkay little one? | No, they did not. That's my argument and you have no proof to stabilize it.
Statistics...anything. Where is it? | |
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Originally Posted by Sectrefocal1.2 No, they did not. That's my argument and you have no proof to stabilize it.
Statistics...anything. Where is it? | Yes, they did. And I offered proof you obviously ignored. Again maybe you should try reading and learning a little before trying to box with the champ. | |
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