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Homosexuality is strictly prohibited in the Bible. It a very destructive sexual sin. Though I do think some Christians take the wrong path to bring our homosexual brothers and sisters to the light, and realize this. Shoving people's sin in thier place on makes them angry, vengeful, and gives them rebellious desires to continue with their wrong-doing. | |
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Homosexuality is strictly prohibited in the Bible
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Originally Posted by surreal is that true? where? | Same place it says homosexuality is wrong
It just goes to show that homophobes pick and choose things to believe in the bible to support what their own bias. In exactly the same same way preachers quoted the same book when using the bible to support slavery, yet they also pick which parts to ignore as well. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Originally Posted by Peter Same place it says homosexuality is wrong
It just goes to show that homophobes pick and chose things to believe in the bible to support what their own bias. In exactly the same same way preachers quoted the same book when using the bible to support slavery, yet they also pick which parts to ignore as well. | this is the exact reason i wonder why they give it so much reverence, not any one of them follows the book as it says they should...it's more like...pick and choose what applies to their life...i don't mind that so much, until they start telling me what i have to pick and choose for mine... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | |
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Originally Posted by Peter Same place it says homosexuality is wrong  | I'd like to see a verse..that would make me laugh, even if was - I am sure it's in the Old Testament's Mosaic Law - which Christians don't need to follow (except really for the ten commandments) Quote: |
Originally Posted by Peter It just goes to show that homophobes pick and chose things to believe in the bible to support what their own bias. | I am not a homophobe, and I don't have anythign personal against homosexuals - I actually have enjoyed company from them and there is some rocking gay art. Saying that, God still does no condone homosexuality, and I know it's wrong. Even I have had homosexual desires from time to time, but I still know it's wrong. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Peter In exactly the same same way preachers quoted the same book when using the bible to support slavery, yet they also pick which parts to ignore as well. | There definitely "Christians" that do this, but you shouldn' use this as an excuse to be liek them and sin. Don't let bring you down brother. I'm seeing this in my own life with the topic of divorce. I'm not going to go doing the sins I would like to thoguh becuase some others are though.
By the way, the Bible does NOT support slavery and never did. All people are created equal in eyes of God.
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Originally Posted by Duke E. I'd like to see a verse..that would make me laugh, even if was - I am sure it's in the Old Testament's Mosaic Law - which Christians don't need to follow (except really for the ten commandments) | Yes it is in the old testament, the same place it says homosexuality is wrong (which you don't need to follow, right?). The reason it says its wrong is because at the time, Jews believed that sperm was a limited resource (remember the story about the dude who came on the ground?, bad boy, bad!)
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"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13) (The 'don't be gay!' quote)
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)
"If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18) (The 'Never shag while on the rag, or be banished, back to Russia!' quote)
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45) (The 'Slaves are human property' quote)
"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27) (The 11th Commandment, Though shalt be fashionable)
"At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts." (Deuteronomy 15:1) (I tried to explain this to my bank, but the bastards still cancelled my credit card)
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.' Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death..." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) (The 'Getting your son stoned, this time its Biblical' quote)
"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19) (Another oft-forgotten remider of the 11th Commandment)
... but those are all Old Mosaic Law right?, nothing in the New Testament could be that screwy?
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34) (If your women isn't submissive, beatings are in order I believe)
"Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her as a covering." (1 Corinthians 11:13-15) (Women!, for Gods sake, cover your heads! ... did Jesus have long hair?)
"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ." (Ephesians 6:5) (They should probably be beaten and not heard too.)
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22) (Slaves, be good, not just for me, but for God)
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9) (Ah, beaten and not heard then)
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:18) (It doesn't matter what he does to you, you're his property, show some respect) Quote: |
Originally Posted by Duke E. I am not a homophobe, and I don't have anythign personal against homosexuals - I actually have enjoyed company from them and there is some rocking gay art. Saying that, God still does no condone homosexuality, and I know it's wrong. Even I have had homosexual desires from time to time, but I still know it's wrong. | God condones slavery, are you in favour of slavery? I'm sure the homosexual friends don't take it personally at all, since you also know that slavery is right and that slaves are property .. right? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Duke E. There definitely "Christians" that do this, but you shouldn' use this as an excuse to be liek them and sin. Don't let bring you down brother. I'm seeing this in my own life with the topic of divorce. I'm not going to go doing the sins I would like to thoguh becuase some others are though.
By the way, the Bible does NOT support slavery and never did. All people are created equal in eyes of God. | The bible supports slavery and homophobism. Why do you choose to take the part about homosexuallity from the old testament literally when you don't follow that book, but not condone slavery when its in the book you do follow? How do you know God thinks homosexuality is wrong and slavery is also wrong? Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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"Yes it is in the old testament, the same place it says homosexuality is wrong (which you don't need to follow, right?)."
It says homosexuality is wrong in the New Testament too, as well as vaguley in the Ten Commandments of The Old Testament which Christians also follow - "Thou shall not commite adultery." I never said Christians can or should be homosexual.
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45) (The 'Slaves are human property' quote)
For one slavery back then doesn't even mean the same thing it does now. Alot of people even sold themeselves into slavery for debts. Slaves were more a simple servant that got PAID eiter with money or till they could buy back thier freedom. This isn't the same as the deal with Africans in our country. Americanized slavery was never a concept of the Bible. Read up on your history, my friend.
"Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27) (The 11th Commandment, Though shalt be fashionable)
- doesn't apply anymore! Neither does circumision, dieterary restrcitions or many others...besides I am Gentile Christian, not a Jewish Christian - those rules were for Jewsish people before Jesus walked the earth.
"At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts." (Deuteronomy 15:1) (I tried to explain this to my bank, but the bastards still cancelled my credit card)
Seven years is the longest you can hold a slave (better called a indensured servant) back then....seven is the perfect number, nuff said.
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.' Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death..." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) (The 'Getting your son stoned, this time its Biblical' quote)
All sin is punishable till death, but since we all sin - Jesus paid the price for us. The law was to show us this we are all sinners, if it could seriousally be followed thrgh upon we would all be stoned. I am Christian, not Jewish buddy.
"...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19) (Another oft-forgotten remider of the 11th Commandment
-once again does not apply to me - Jesus saves, even your ignorant soul if you come to him!
"... but those are all Old Mosaic Law right?, nothing in the New Testament could be that screwy?"
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34) (If your women isn't submissive, beatings are in order I believe)
That was because in that certian instance (In Cornith), culturally (not religiously) women were infereior to men. And women didn't spend as much time studying as men, so most of the time if they had a question, there husband could answer it for them! If not, than the husband would ask the church!
"Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her as a covering." (1 Corinthians 11:13-15) (Women!, for Gods sake, cover your heads! ... did Jesus have long hair?)
there's a couple opinions on this, least one trasnaltion is talking about hats instead of hair. And if ti is hair, here is the reasoning - men are in the image of God and women are in rhe image of men. Some say to be more like the image of God, man should have short ahir. That is debatable though. I have long hair. Jesus having long hair is a common misconception. So is that he blond and blue-eyed. Think about for a bit, and you'll porbably undersatnd way.
"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ." (Ephesians 6:5) (They should probably be beaten and not heard too.)
That means to treat our master as if he were Christ. All earthly work will not go unrewarded. Applies today even if the topic of jobs and the way we should obey our bosses. We shoudl be good employees, even if our emplyer is not. For we are a statue for the Chirstian chruch, and should set the example.
"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22) (Slaves, be good, not just for me, but for God)
-work good all the time, for you are not really working for an earty master,b ut for God - all earthly work will be rewarded.
"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9) (Ah, beaten and not heard then)
-everyhtign I said above applies here
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:18) (It doesn't matter what he does to you, you're his property, show some respect)
Set the example, show them Christians aren't like them. make them feel bad for what they are doing. Jesus took quite a beating, and alot peopel eventually felt bad about it. Pilate and Judas Iscariot for one. Judas hanged himslef after it happened - not the right way to repent sin!.
Don't turn the Bible into fragments to support your twisted beliefs.
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Originally Posted by Duke E. It says homosexuality is wrong in the New Testament too, as well as vaguley in the Ten Commandments of The Old Testament which Christians also follow - "Thou shall not commite adultery." I never said Christians can or should be homosexual. | Where in the new testament does it say homosexuality is wrong, hm, answer me that, or we'll assume its bollocks and the New Testament says nothing of the sort. In which case, your homophobia has nothing to do with the bible that you follow.
Now let's look at Adultery.
"Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (191  "
Adultery A*dul"ter*y, n.; pl. Adulteries. L. adulterium.
See Advoutry.
1. The unfaithfulness of a married person to the marriage
bed; sexual intercourse by a married man with another than
his wife, or voluntary sexual intercourse by a married
woman with another than her husband.
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Originally Posted by Duke E. For one slavery back then doesn't even mean the same thing it does now. Alot of people even sold themeselves into slavery for debts. Slaves were more a simple servant that got PAID eiter with money or till they could buy back thier freedom. This isn't the same as the deal with Africans in our country. Americanized slavery was never a concept of the Bible. Read up on your history, my friend. | Oh so the bible only says that slaves are property then, well that makes it better, yourself and the bible only codone the concept of slaves as property. Except you don't, because you pick and choose what to believe in based upon your own bigotry. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Duke E. "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27) (The 11th Commandment, Though shalt be fashionable)
- doesn't apply anymore! Neither does circumision, dieterary restrcitions or many others...besides I am Gentile Christian, not a Jewish Christian - those rules were for Jewsish people before Jesus walked the earth. | Ah I see, so that doesn't apply anymore, yet homosexuality being wrong does apply despite the fact that it was there because it was believed at the time that sperm was a limited resource in men, which by the way, lets lesbians completely off the hook.
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Originally Posted by Peter "At the end of every seven years you must cancel debts." (Deuteronomy 15:1) (I tried to explain this to my bank, but the bastards still cancelled my credit card) | Seven years is the longest you can hold a slave (better called a indensured servant) back then....seven is the perfect number, nuff said. | The people at the time believed that sperm was a limited resource, since proven to be untrue, 'nuff said. Quote: |
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Originally Posted by Peter "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.' Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death..." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) (The 'Getting your son stoned, this time its Biblical' quote) | All sin is punishable till death, but since we all sin - Jesus paid the price for us. The law was to show us this we are all sinners, if it could seriousally be followed thrgh upon we would all be stoned. I am Christian, not Jewish buddy. | ... but you follow the old testament when it tells you homosexuality is wrong?, isn't that hypocritical? Quote: |
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Originally Posted by Peter "...do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19) (Another oft-forgotten remider of the 11th Commandment | -once again does not apply to me - Jesus saves, even your ignorant soul if you come to him! | Unless you can show me where in the New Testament it says homosexuality is wrong, and tell me how slavery isn't condoned then this does apply to you since the homosexuality quote is mere paragraphs away from this. | |