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Osamas Message - 04-16-04

'September 11 and March 11 is Your Own Merchandise Coming Back to You'
"This is a message to our neighbors north of the Mediterranean, with a proposal for a peace treaty, in response to the positive reactions which emerged there.

"What happened in September 11 and March 11 is your own merchandise coming back to you. We hereby advise you … that your definition of us and of our actions as terrorism is nothing but a definition of yourselves by yourselves, since our reaction is of the same kind as your act. Our actions are a reaction to yours, which are destruction and killing of our people as is happening in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Palestine.

"It suffices to see the event that shocked the world – the killing of the wheelchair-bound old man Ahmad Yassin – Allah's mercy upon him – and we pledge to Allah to avenge [his murder] on America, Allah willing.

"By what measure of kindness are your killed considered innocents while ours are considered worthless? By what school [of thought] is your blood considered blood while our blood is water?

"Therefore, it is [only] just to respond in kind, and the one who started it is more to blame…"

We will Continue to Fight the U.S. and U.N.

"When you look at what happened and is happening, the killing in our countries and in yours, an important fact emerges, and that is that the oppression is forced on both us and you by your politicians who send your sons, against your will, to our country to kill and to be killed.

"Therefore, both sides have an interest in thwarting those who shed the blood of the peoples for their own narrow interests, out of vassalage to the White House gang…

"This war makes millions of dollars for big corporations, either weapons manufacturers or those working in the reconstruction [of Iraq], such as Halliburton and its sister companies…

"It is crystal clear who benefits from igniting the fire of this war and this bloodshed: They are the merchants of war, the bloodsuckers who run the policy of the world from behind the scenes.

"President Bush and his ilk, the media giants, and the U.N. … all are a fatal danger to the world, and the Zionist lobby is their most dangerous member. Allah willing, we will persist in fighting them…

'I Hereby Offer [Europe] a Peace Treaty'

"Therefore, in order to thwart opportunities for the merchants of war, and in response to the positive developments that were expressed in recent events and in the public opinion polls, which determined that most European peoples want peace, I urge … the establishment of a permanent commission to nurture awareness among Europeans regarding the justness of our causes, particularly the cause of Palestine, and that use be made of the vast media resources to this end.

"I hereby offer them a peace treaty, the essence of which is our commitment to halt actions against any country that commits itself to refraining from attacking Muslims or intervening in their affairs, including the American conspiracy against the larger Islamic world.

"This peace treaty can be renewed at the end of the term of a government and the rise of another, with the agreement of both sides.

"The peace treaty will be in force upon the exit of the last soldier of any given [European] country from our land.

"The door of peace will remain open for three months from the broadcast of this statement. Whoever rejects the peace and wants war should know that we are the men [of war], and whoever wants a peace treaty and signs it, we hereby allow this peace treaty with him.

"Stop shedding our blood in order to protect your own blood. The solution to this easy-difficult equation is in your own hands. You should know that the longer you delay, the worse the situation will become, and when that happens, do not blame us, blame yourselves…

"As for those who lie to people and say that we hate freedom and kill for the sake of killing – reality proves that we are the speakers of truth and they lie, because the killing of the Russians took place only after their invasion of Afghanistan and Chechnya; the killing of the Europeans took place only after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan; the killing of the Americans in the Battle of New York took place only after their support for the Jews in Palestine and their invasion of the Arabian Peninsula; their killing in Somalia happened only after Operation Restore Hope. We restored [i.e. repelled] them without hope, by the grace of Allah."


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04-16-04

Good thing Ashcroft is going after the REAL terrorists like pornographers and hippies.. making the world safer for religious fundamentals like him self..

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"I don't know where [Osama] is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important."
George W. Bush, 3/13/02

and why are we in Iraq again? the real bastard is alive and well.. but I guess he'll be captured a few weeks before the elections.

Lovely thing is that Osama was trained and armed by the USA...

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04-17-04

That was so potent and hardcore and made so much sense, except for:

"As for those who lie to people and say that we hate freedom and kill for the sake of killing – reality proves that we are the speakers of truth and they lie, because the killing of the Russians took place only after their invasion of Afghanistan and Chechnya; the killing of the Europeans took place only after the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan; the killing of the Americans in the Battle of New York took place only after their support for the Jews in Palestine and their invasion of the Arabian Peninsula; their killing in Somalia happened only after Operation Restore Hope. We restored [i.e. repelled] them without hope, by the grace of Allah."


I find it terribly sad that they see the end justifying the means, but the rest of his words, about it being a big money inspired process and that the killings occuring in the Middle East is considered a fight against terror without any regard as to the validity of that and.... "By what measure of kindness are your killed considered innocents while ours are considered worthless? By what school [of thought] is your blood considered blood while our blood is water?

Powerful piece, I hope this instigates a possible path to resolving these issues.
  
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04-17-04

It might sound reasonable if it wasn't coming from the mouth of the guy who is responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.... enslaving hundreds of people by his religious doctrines..
  
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It might sound reasonable if it wasn't coming from the mouth of the guy who is responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.... enslaving hundreds of people by his religious doctrines..
That could be said for just about any political world leader in the history of time.
  
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04-17-04

Yes, however MOST modern world leaders mimimse civilian casualties rather then strive for them.

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Really? Hitler? Stalin? Mugabe? Idi Amin? Hendrik Verwoed? etc.......
  
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It might sound reasonable if it wasn't coming from the mouth of the guy who is responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.... enslaving hundreds of people by his religious doctrines..
Heh, agreed. It was a very reasonable, intelligent speech, if it weren't coming from someone who strives for civilian casualties, and holds an EXTREME religious ideology.


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04-18-04

The quality of the speach shouldnt be in doubt because of the person who says it, just it`s truthfulness and intent.
Refusing to deal with him will have the same effect on the world as refusing to deal with Hamas will have on Israel. Either a few peace treaties will be signed and for the most part kept to or (possibly after the failure of such a treaty) there will be a mini genocide in the Middle East.


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04-24-04

Yes, but the difference between Hamas and Al Quaeda is that even if the western countries pulled out of the middle east, Al Quaeda would still commit attorictiies and still target thee west as the dreaded soulless infidel.

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and if you listen to a lot of people talking about Hamas they say that Hamas and other groups like it will never stop until Israel is destroyed.
Oh and that there`s obviously a strong link between them all and they`re not interested in peace only the deaths of their enemies etc.


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It might sound reasonable if it wasn't coming from the mouth of the guy who is responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.... enslaving hundreds of people by his religious doctrines..
not to mention his heroin production.


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and yet .... hamas was a known terrorist group that used its members and children as human bombs. They have documented links to the PLO and claim their goals are the same. It doesn't matter what consessions are made by the Jews because Arafat has even been quoted as saying that their activities will not stop until they have a free palestinian state with Jerulsem as it's capitol.


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04-27-04

On one hand I see the so called democracy of the U.S. going to hell... On the other I see a man who is so caught up in his own religion that he is willing to kill thousands of people to try and force the world to see it his way. But if you look at it how is that different from the U.S. going into Iraq? Who are we to say that Democracy is the only way...?



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