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wysiwyg · 01-10-06

Well, in an effort to stick with the OP, Kanye West is just some guy who happened to be able to put some words together that happened to rhyme. He doesn't represent me or any other African American of intelligence. He's an entertainer and even that is debatable.

Sectrefocal1.2 · 01-10-06

Nice, we have an African American to speak for their own.
I like alot of his songs but some of what he's said I don't agree with.

Wicked Lady · 01-10-06

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Well firstly, anyone who has ever been enslaved bitches about it. The fact that we feel the need to bring up the Celts proves that. The Jews have been getting reparations for quite some time now with no end in sight. The primary difference here is that African Americans are still living in the country that enslaved them and more importantly oppressed them. As far as the Celts are concerned, I can asure you that during the time that I lived in the UK, the Scotts and the Irish both bitched about the state of their independance in the so called UNITED Kingdom. Implying otherwise would be straight up BS! I'm not asking for special treatment because I can assure you it's unnecessary, I can hold my own against the ignorant.
Why is it that white Americans feel the need to pretend that the injustices that their ancestors experienced in America can be compared to what blacks and native americans experienced in America? Waiting for reperations that willl never arrive is unhealthy and unproductive on the part of African Americans but so is white America pretending that their ancestors experienced anything remotely comparable in the US.

I'm sorry.. you're saying that black slavery is somehow more heinous than white slavery? That opression to blacks is more important than opression to others?

It's the ACT of slavery that's wrong, right? The whole principle is that it's wrong to enslave another human being. That it's wrong to judge a man by one aspect of himself and not by who he is.

Dude.. that's happened to everyone. Quakers were burned alive. Catholics were castrated. Protestants tortured and beheaded. Celts conscripted and used as human shields in warfare. Jews used for medical experiments.

Blacks and native americans aren't any more entitled than anyone else. THAT'S the point. Equality. Not "I've got more right to bitch than you". If the issue is equality, then we should all acknowledge the atrocities of the past and move the fuck on. It's people like you that contribute to the problem as much as the modern-day white supremacists.

Billy the Kidd · 01-10-06

Wicked Lady! You racist! Youre white, youre genetically Racist and have melanin envy! If you cannot see that you have white privilege then you must be killed!

wysiwyg · 01-11-06

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I'm sorry.. you're saying that black slavery is somehow more heinous than white slavery? That opression to blacks is more important than opression to others?

It's the ACT of slavery that's wrong, right? The whole principle is that it's wrong to enslave another human being. That it's wrong to judge a man by one aspect of himself and not by who he is.

Dude.. that's happened to everyone. Quakers were burned alive. Catholics were castrated. Protestants tortured and beheaded. Celts conscripted and used as human shields in warfare. Jews used for medical experiments.

Blacks and native americans aren't any more entitled than anyone else. THAT'S the point. Equality. Not "I've got more right to bitch than you". If the issue is equality, then we should all acknowledge the atrocities of the past and move the fuck on. It's people like you that contribute to the problem as much as the modern-day white supremacists.

You quite obviously missed the meaning of what I wrote. It was plain to see but you missed it anyway. I never said the white experience was less heiness than the black experience. What I said was blacks and native americans have had a worse experience IN AMERICA. All the things you wrote about were terrible, not argueing the point. Also not arguing that blacks are more entitled in general, we're not. Go back and read my post and you'll realize that is what I said in the first place but you and Billy the kid just want to believe that all blacks are whiners and we want all whites to pay for the injustices that we've experienced. If blacks need to get over ourselves, maybe whites who whine about experiencing "reverse desrimination" should learn to do the same.

neonwraith · 01-11-06

Anyone who wants reperations for slavery should sue Africa for it's part in selling the slaves taken in tribal conflict. It should also be willing to be forcibly extradited back to Africa, as afterall they demand reperations because they're in a worse condition in the US then they would be in Africa.

That's the only true way to make reperations fair.

Neon

Billy the Kidd · 01-11-06

Why? It isnt reverse racism. Its racism. Period. Im being discriminated against by blacks and thier liberal keepers. Heard of a little quota system called Affirmitive action?

thefr0g · 01-11-06

THE HORSE IS DEAD!

For the love of God Billy, let it rest in peace!

Sectrefocal1.2 · 01-11-06

I'm with wysiwig. Whites and blacks don't exactly have a clean slate and if you think slavery and discrimination wouldn't effect the present day whatsoever, if you think we can go about our normal business while ignoring it, you're not black for one.

Icey_Blueyez · 01-11-06

"walk by faith and not by sight...were all the same color when you turn out the lights..."

Billy the Kidd · 01-11-06

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THE HORSE IS DEAD!

For the love of God Billy, let it rest in peace!

Mind you business, dont like tor ead it, theres a little X in the top corner, I suggest you click it and stop whining. I notice you didnt tell Meg or that other fucker to drop it. Dick.

Billy the Kidd · 01-11-06

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I'm with wysiwig. Whites and blacks don't exactly have a clean slate and if you think slavery and discrimination wouldn't effect the present day whatsoever, if you think we can go about our normal business while ignoring it, you're not black for one.

Thats the stupidest shit I ever heard. The blacks that DO get over it and ignore tend to go pretty fucking far. Colin Powell, Thomas Sowell, Condi Rice, etc etc.

Sectrefocal1.2 · 01-11-06

Maybe it's because we don't call people Dicks.
The fact is that there are people who haven't ignored it and for good reason.
Many are born into poverty and aren't given as many options as whites.

Wicked Lady · 01-11-06

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You quite obviously missed the meaning of what I wrote. It was plain to see but you missed it anyway. I never said the white experience was less heiness than the black experience. What I said was blacks and native americans have had a worse experience IN AMERICA. All the things you wrote about were terrible, not argueing the point. Also not arguing that blacks are more entitled in general, we're not. Go back and read my post and you'll realize that is what I said in the first place but you and Billy the kid just want to believe that all blacks are whiners and we want all whites to pay for the injustices that we've experienced. If blacks need to get over ourselves, maybe whites who whine about experiencing "reverse desrimination" should learn to do the same.

I've never whined about reverse discrimination. And I've never called blacks whiners. Don't tell me what I do and don't believe. My post was in support of equality and PEACE. But you seem bound and determined to paint blacks the wounded party.

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Why is it that white Americans feel the need to pretend that the injustices that their ancestors experienced in America can be compared to what blacks and native americans experienced in America?

Fine. Why do black Americans feel that the injustices their ancestors experienced in American can be compared to what the rest of the world has endured for thousand and thousands and thousands of years?

This is a ridiculous pissing contest. I point blank said that until EVERYONE lets go of the past bullshit and moves on, there's not going to be equality of any kind. But apparently that makes me a racist hell bent on making the blacks out to be whiners, according to you.

Wicked Lady · 01-11-06

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Maybe it's because we don't call people Dicks.
The fact is that there are people who haven't ignored it and for good reason.
Many are born into poverty and aren't given as many options as whites.

We live in a capitalist society. Everyone has options. If they didn't, then the handful of successful black Americans that came from poverty wouldn't exist.

Sectrefocal1.2 · 01-11-06

No, Wicked Lady, it will take time and we are going through recovery. It was not thousands of years ago. Only 50 years ago Martin Luther King Jr. made his dream speech. That's all of what blacks have, a dream, because their past is broken.

Billy the Kidd · 01-11-06

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Maybe it's because we don't call people Dicks.
The fact is that there are people who haven't ignored it and for good reason.
Many are born into poverty and aren't given as many options as whites.

Actually my cloistered off little waif, the majority of impoverished people in the country ARE white. Not every white person takes trips to Jamaica with thier mommy and Daddy like you. For example myself. I grew up in a projects. My dad was gone and my mother had a drug habit. She used to send me to her friends house to pick up her drugs. I raised myself, we were hungry most of the time.

Billy the Kidd · 01-11-06

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No, Wicked Lady, it will take time and we are going through recovery. It was not thousands of years ago. Only 50 years ago Martin Luther King Jr. made his dream speech. That's all of what blacks have, a dream, because their past is broken.

LOL, and MLK was never a slave either. The recovery isnt going to happen as long as morons like you hobble blacks by making them out to be perpetual victims. That actually makes you and your kind the racists. I want blacks to stop getting hand outs and start to be held responsible, let them get thier fair shake like everyone else because under the law they are equal, socially its up to them to make that distinction.