You realize who you are talking to right? Insulting me and making assumptions isn't going to help, I'm afraid. There is a clear and intelligent way this could have been dealt with and frankly anyone with opinions I respect saw that. Hell, people I don't respect see that and can see the problems with it.

Windigo is an idiot who seems to think the smart choice is running his mouth and trying to be as offensive as possible no matter what the situation, even something dealing with a board that has had legal threats made against it in the past. Amusing when I was seventeen and sixteen, sure, but really stupid now that I look at it closer.

You? I've never thought you that brilliant. Apparently you're stupider than my initial gut reaction. Congrats, you surprised me.

Yeah I know. But mainly I wanted to display the irresponsibility and flippancy of some one in charge of the boards.

If I may, I'd like to drag it back to a couple of orignal points.

I got married as a teen, my mother and grandmother and almost everyone else were also virtually children, but they moved in with their parents in law, they were part of the community that Sphyre mentioned, not living out there on their own, trying to raise children without support. The West doesn't have the support network needed for kids to get married and have kids themselves.

Sixx mentioned that there are paedophiles in other countries too, I assume meaning that some people think it's just a western thing, and I just thought I'd share about a nurse I know whose brother in law had his testicles hacked off by a machete after being caught with an underage girl. Nothing happened to the castrator. A Pakistani friend of mine's little male cousin was abused by his teacher. The teacher was almost beaten to death by the boy's father. I'm sure they probably get it worng some times, but there's not usually smoke without fire, and I know that on both of the occasions I mentioned, the adult was caught in the act.
Mob rule and justice in other countries, coupled with laws that are lenient on those seeking revenge, means that minors are usually more protected.

Most western kids have no idea about what's best for them. They're usually cut off from real life, get to attend the luxury of school, don't have to scrape a living together for themselves and feel the weight of respnsibility until much later than kids in the rest of the world, and this should be reflected in the laws that govern whether they can have sex or not. Sex not only equals a loss of innocence and the introduction of a means of manipulation, but no contraception is 100%, and judging by the amount of teen pregnancies in the west, it's 0% effective if they don't use it.

A twelve year old might be mature enough to pass a test to measure their sexual maturity, they might even be mature anough to get up countless times in the night with a child without losing it, but the chances are if that child is disabled or needs advocation in the grown up world of teachers and social officials, they won't be up to the job.

Regardless of whether or not Darktiggr was out of bounds with his post, if there was a poll I'd tick the pervert box.
I'd like to know if he has a daughter, and if he'd be happy with her being declared sexually mature as a child, and free to have sex with any twenty, thirty, fourty, or fifty year old she wanted.

He has a son...

I think you have to draw boundaries as to what you define as paedophilia.

I was having consenting sex from the 'illegal' age of 15 and was perfectly mature and sensible enough to partake in that, the men I've slept with have all been older than me to a greater or lesser degree- does that make them paedophiles?
My friend's boyfriend is younger than her, so for the most part of their relationship she has been sleeping with a minor. Does that make her a paedophile?

Where do you draw the line? Because it's apparent from the examples I've given that in certain circumstances underage sex is fine.

However, where I live has the highest teen pregnancy rate in Europe, and thus it is clear that people are not mature enough to even think about having sex and the consequences it brings.

In a matter of weeks I will legally be an adult in this country, but I charge anyone to show how for the last couple of years I have not been the equivalent of one.

I don't think Tiggs is condoning paedophilia, but that's just my perception which is naturally biased because of my personal experience and circumstances.

please post the conversation we had since, you kept the log without my knowledge or consent

I have known Tiggs for 20 Years. He may have some quaint notions and have no problem voicing them but he is in no way a Pedophile. Nor does his statement in ANY WAY condone pedophilia. he was rather making a statement with a broad assumption of the motivating factors of pedophilia. Sphyre for SOME reason is completely overreacting to a conversation which is taking place in a PASSWORD PROTECTED ADULT FORUM which contains.... *** GASP **** Adults!!!!!! Which also contains....****GASP *** ADULT CONVERSATIONS!!!!! I vote we change the password and do not hand it out to her. She has proven that she cannot handle adult conversations.

Sphyre please contact whatever law Enforcement officials you wish to... I gaurantee they will see you as a great waste of time.

When it comes down to it, the way he talks about 12 year olds having sex with older people, it does look like he's referring to himself. By the way, Sphyre is also a ****GASP**** adult, so that arguement doesn't really work.

Bullshit. At 12 many girls have already reached menarche.
I hardly think this is the point, as I don't think Tiggs was recommending sex with girls who aren't menstruating.

It's not rare, as it happens. And having periods means a girl or woman is physically ready to have sex and become pregnant.
What have ten year old boys to do with anything?

Nowhere does he explicitly say 'I want 12 year olds to become legal adults so I can have sex with them'. You might interpret it that way, but he doesn't say so.

And for a final point, I know that would be paedophilia and that it's fucking illegal you twat.

Let me just wade in here.
If you'd like too much personal info I'll share with you that I was menstruating at 9.
In my first year of high school (11 years old) a girl in my year had a baby.

Medical issues are pretty much irrelevant.
Adulthood and maturity are measured by the collection and progression of experiences.
You can be a thirty five year old child if you've never known independence and responsibility.
The fact is there needs to be guidelines, they are there for a reason, and seeing as sex often equals kids, there has to be a limit.
It's a shame when a seventeen year old get prosecuted for sex with a person few days shy of their sixteenth birthday, but the law has to stay to stop fifty year olds having it away with fouteen year olds.

Bollocks.
Having gone to boarding school and showered with many 12 year old girls, I know it wasn't just me that wore a bra etc.
And not even a little one training one either.

That's untrue. It's just your interpretation.

And what a pathetically low blow, 'watching all the moderators stick up for thier (spelling skills? apparently not) own'. If that's all you have, it explains a lot.

Whose fact is that?

You are just a joke. Sphyre is intelligent and eloquent with her arguments, but you are just one stinking pile o' crap.

You had no argument.

Was that your argument? My oh my...

Peter when did you become an absolute bore???? I leave for 4 months and come back and all of a sudden not only are you anti-everything you have decided to adhere to a definite anti-Dyshade stance no matter what the issue.... if you have a problem with me bring it.... this is the bitch board.... go ahead....

The argument works perfectly..... the conversation is taking place within the Adult Board and in no way refers to ACTUALLY fucking under age women or men..... Sphyres argument holds no merit logically nor legally..... she has issues it seems herself which project outwards into other conversations which she probably should stay out of..... an easy way to accomplish this is to change the Adult Forum password and leave her out of those conversations..... we do NOT condone pedophilia in any way nor do I yet I am not going to become a nazi and delete a persons posts because thier opinion seems unsightly to ONE member...... too bad soo fucking sad.... grow up....

Whoa!
How much do you know about 12 year old girls?
Weren't you looking at the time??
Dammit, most of us were developed, the ones that weren't felt left out.
By 12 (second year) there were another tree girls with babies.

And I am in no way implying that it's OK for them to have sex.
As I've said, as there is a risk that sex can equal children it should be regulated.
Kids think they're mature but as every adult here knows, you know squat about real life until you've had to fend for yourself in the big bad world, put food on your own table, so kids are in no way in a position to bring more kids into the world.

That was for Bobbbo, argument moved on....

So now he's guilty until proven innocent?

funny how a couple of people that are parents don't seem to be bothered by his post, but the majority seem to not have kids at all.