i had posted a topic on this under my other name, but i guess it was over sire's head and he flipped nuts because i used the phrase fuck america and fuck americans. so this will also probably be deleted and then i won't be able to log on anymore. but fuck it this sight's like a bad drug anyways.

my first rant was about patriotism and how it breeds blind hate and leads to violence and bla bla bla. and how stupid americans had already participated in various hate crimes in the name of their country or some other retarded bullshit. this was only a few days after the eleventh. i guess sire had also been brainwashed by media hounds into a zombie state of standing up for his country or something and my precious DD was banned. oh fucking well. but back to my stupid point or points rather. i hate the media because it fans the flames of hate in the forms of patriotism, pushing irrelevant fears on people, and painting pictures of evil evil men that are out to get them.

i don't quite understand patriotism. i see alot of my stupid friends with god bless america shirts, and all these stupid cars in town with american flags on their antennas or painted on their windshields. what the fuck does that mean to them? they tell me it means they "support their country, america" why do you support america? "because im an american" why the fuck are you american? oh yeah because completely by chance you were born in an area that was considered american soil, and not an area considered something else. that's the only true reason.

all the other reasons i hear is bullshit hooplah they hear off the television. they believe in freedom, justice, peace, humanitarism, and for some reason they believe these are values embraced by the usa. when in fact the us is responsible for more injustice, more war, more slavery, and more oppression then any other country i can think of. america is the worlds bacteria, infecting and polluting everything it touches. and countrys that stand against it's diseases end up being sanctioned, and oppressed. america steals their culture and their quality of life, mostly in the name of "freedom and peace". and when these oppressed people retaliate they are labeled terrorist. and propaghanda quickly spreads the word of their "eviL" when in fact america is the true evil, america is the criminal and the theif shrouded in viels of white linen, decieving the world. america is the dragon from the west. i am a "us citizen" and there is only few other places in the world i would want to live (germany,sweden, denmark come to mind). i vote, i support my community, i take part in the rights i am given, that so many other human beings in so many other places lack. and i appreciate it, but im not patriotic. im not an american living in the us, im a human living on planet earth. so ive been rambling mostly cuz i just woke up and don't give a shit right now, but FUCK PATRIOTISM, and FUCK AMERICA. unity is a good thing, and people think patriotism leads to unity, but it also leads to segregation and "us and them" groups. and all that leads to hate, and hate leads to violence. and violence comes in the form of airplanes crashing into crowded skytowers killing fathers, and daughters and husbands, and it also comes in the form of bombs dropping on hospitals full of women, children, wives, and sons. the casualties of war, the product of hate. stop routing for you america and your country, route for you planet and all your kindred in every country.

I don't agree with you, but I still worship fagboy....

im sure alot of people don't agree with me, but i'm sure most of them don't know the details of america's long time oppression of middle eastern countries, or it's economic bulldozering of alot of other countries. i live in america, im glad i live here, but i won't support it's twisted ideas and megalomania. i don't live in afganistan, and im glad i don't live there. it would fukin suck. and i don't support bin laden or al qaida or the taliban. both sides of this conflict are evil, psychotic dumb fucks. but i will say bin ladens cause is not as evil as america's. people think this is a fresh thing for some reason. america has sanctioned and oppressed the middle east for some time now. it was not bin laden, or the taliban that threw the first stone that started all this. it's just the first time most people are hearing about it.

I think that in america fucking dotheads are always welcome, they come in and they take all our fucking jobs and leave us with jack shit and it is all because of the government. You don't ever see any homeless ragheads or sand-niggers, nuh-uh, the only opression that is on anyone is on the whites and the blacks, the original americans besides the natives....

Hey blue, since you never use it can I have FAGBOY#3's password?

I have to go, if you're gonaa send it to me: tinysiamouinne@yahoo.com. later....

do a search on either of my screennames. there is a thread titled A COOL EXPERIMENT. it has all of my screenname passwords. dark darkness was banned i think so that one will probably not work. but if you can find the thread, help yourself. there's some funny stuff that went on back whenever i made the thread. people started doing the same thing and then everyone's passwords were getting stolen and no one knew who was who.

Made a lot of sense, why be proud of a place where your only link is the fact that your parents fucked there?

i also want to correct any confusion, im not proud to live in america but im grateful i live here. im not quite sure what pride is anyways. whenever i hear someone say their proud of something it's usually in a context of "I respect this about myself, for this reason.". i can see being proud of your good grades, or the fact that you rushed 200 yards last weeks high school game or something. i don't understand when someone says "i respect myself cuz im an american." that doesn't make much sense. i don't know. but the irrational thought that you respect your self for your nationality usually leads to the other irrational thought that you disrespect others for not being your nationality. i don't know if im explaining myself. my friend has a "God bless America" shirt. i really want to get a silk screened shirt that says "GOD bless everyone, not just America you selfish bastards". of course im athiest but that's beside the point.

i felt awful when i first heard and saw what had happened in New York. Im sure everyone did. but then i hear what's happening in Afganistan and i feel just as bad. my peers and friends however are "fuck yea bastards are getting what they deserve!" i don't understand devaluing their lives because they live somewhere else, have different perspectives, and "hate us". they're still humans, they still have families, they still have children, they still feel. i talk to my friends about it and they ask me what i think should occur. the truth is i don't know. i think both sides of this conflict are both in the wrong. but being at a loss for solutions doesn't condone justifying pride or hate or violence. but it happens anyways. so what can i do but make a personal effort to not disrespect the loss of life here or overseas, and to respect the quality of life of everyone, everywhere.

one could say that they owe to thier respective countries because thier respective countries, educated, and socialized you into a certain civilization, if it hadnt you may as well be eating goat shit and jerking off in a cave creaton!

and these arent my ideas, Socrates thought this shit up long ago.
i think its hippocritical of you to turn your back on a country thats given you so much, if you hate you should leave and bring back someone whos more deserving of all the advantages given you that youre obviously unappreciative about. fucko!

you made absolutly no points rather then you despise america. why? because of bulldosing the western countries? no my friend, america doesnt bother to give foriegn aid to said countires. isreal would be still developing hadnt not we given aid to it. maybe WE had an ulteariar motive, yet, now, its irrelevant.

yeah, maybe i dont agree with the american war machine dropping explosives on afgan citizans, but then agian, i dont belive in what the afgans do is appropriate and right. say you forgot to cover your face this morining and you're female. you get stoned to death. do you know how painful that is? niether do i, but, yes christians burned members at the stake. we're they right? do i agree? am i christian? does it matter? no, americans have evolved to the point where trends and pistols are the new god and we do what we are told by national television no a book written so long ago.

righteousness is dead, long live it.

i didn't intend to pose arguments for my opinions, just state my opinions, and superficially at that. but stuart is one of my all time favorite songs so who gives a fuck. i don't hate where i live, i don't hate my fellow countrymen. alot of them are stupid fuck zombies that don't know how to think for themselves but i don't hate them. i hate the concept of "america". i hate the values of mainstream america. i hate all the evils america has pushed on it's neighbors. that is why im not patriotic, which was my only real point i think. but im very greatful i get the luxury alot of other humans don't get.

and the analogy of the culture is irrelevant. what if i forgot to put on my clothes today and tried to go to school naked. i would probably get arrested and taken to jail. the culture in the middle east is different from ours. it's sanctions, laws, and religions are different from ours. im sure there are people there who think their culture oppresses them, but they have the choice to comply or not. just like i don't think it's wrong for me to grow pot in my house and get stoned every evening, but my government will put me in jail for a lengthy amount of time for doing it. it's a part of my culture. and their culture will have it's own social norms and it's own sanctions for breaking those norms.

as far as what you say america does for foriegners, im sure there's alot. but if america sanctions countrys and thousands of children starve or die because of a lack of food and medicine your not going to hear it on the evening news. when american companies are alowed to buy out all the local buisnesses, factories, and work place so they control the economy of a certain area it's not going to make headlines. and this happens all over the world. imagine if a foriegn company came to your town and bought out all the restaruants, factories, and buisnessess and you had no where to work. then they build there own factories and buisnesses and they control the job market. so you go and try and get a job to support your family. they say you can make shoes eight in the morning till eight at night and they'll give you two dollars a day. and your left with two choices, work 12 hour days, 7 days a week for fourteen bucks or don't work at all. american companies do this all over the world, including the middle east. they also sanction any country they feel poses any sort of threat. they do this in the name of "national security". and people suffer, and people die. but again this isn't going to be on twenty/twenty. your not going to hear it at the state of the nation. president bush won't make a special airing describing all the ills america is causing. all you hear are the good things, and everyone is kept happy and ignorant. and when a man with a cause comes along and declares war on the criminal america, he's labeled a terrorist.

I put gratitude and pride seperate moron.

i guess its just the humanitian and equalibrian in me who is flabbergasted when i see a man, just sitting on the sand waiting for the rocks to come because he stole some bread. you speak of american buying out all the bussiness and implementing its own monopoly. but then you have the guys who are muslum, see what's going on, yet still enforce the same rules that were culturaly and eclesiasticly set 2000 years ago.

as i see it, eastern countries are way out of control as to what they do with their people, china, india, pakastan, all view human life as a waste or an eyesoar. in your signature, you have something about the righteousness of an opressed people and how they deserve retribution and vengence. what if said county is their own. bin ladan runs the show in afganistan holding hands with the tailibon and allows such attrocities to occur. i know, when i have kids, i want my daughter to get the best education possible and grow to be a productive citizen. not cowering with her child fully covered in black. if you want to point fingers about opression, wave them at the tailbon. else, figure out some other way around it.

pyrric is right, the really do some fucked up shit to people. It's not right at all, nor is it freedom. They treat women as objects and not humans, and from some old ass outdated book. The way they treat people is really shit.. you know that if the women get raped or disgrace their families even though it's not their fault they're families would kill them just to avoid disgrace? and their husbands have total control over them? what kind of life is that? that's some real bullshit right there. And yes we are priviledged to live in a damn country that gives us enough freedom to not live a horrible nightmare like that.

I......I.....I agree???

why does this always happen? a person with intellect comes and states valid opinions that have been the result of time spent thinking on a said subject, and another person comes along with a single immature statement and closes the bridge for discussion. i have no idea why you think im a fucking idiot besides maybe that you've been coarsed into one way of thinking and my opinion conflicts with that ideology. an ideology that you most likely learned from a faulty and bias media. i assure that even though there are many things i am ignorant of, i am not an idiot. most of my more passionate views are the product of much time spent pondering. i am always open to the results of other people's time spent in the same manner however. maybe my point of view is less moral then the views i downcry, and if they are then i can only say im human. but at the present the weighing of facts leaves me with a contempt for the collective organizations that run and represent america. but again, maybe there are things ive failed to consider, both facts, and the different perceptions to view the facts. so maybe that's why your here.

ok so lemme see if i got this, youre appreciative of all that your country has given you and yet you still shit on em? sounds to me like youre just a spoiled little fuck who needs to learn some respect for what people died for to let you have. and to establish the community you live in, im afraid pride as you call it does very well go hand in hand with appreciateing your society.
so i think you should rethink your little tiff on how wicked everyhting is you fucktard.