You have to be insane to back your insane forefathers....

So your denying the fact that your familys forefathers were INSANE? Your also denying the fact that they were so insane in fact that they would be put to death for how insane they were if they did not leave? Are you denying the fact that they gave diseases to the natives and stole their land? Wait, yeah you are aren't you... Because you like rewriting history.... Wow, You capitalists have the power to rewrite history... Thats some INSANE shit you got going there... Just like your insane family forefathers....
Where they capitalists by the way? No wait... They must have been socialists... Where they socialists? Now lets see, Capitalists, socialists or just plain disease ridden... I mean, did the natives have syphilis before your nutty forefathers landed there? Might be where your government comes from... Oh wait... Yeah, yeah it is where your government comes from... heh, funny isn't it...

Oh yeah and the left... Elaborate for me will you? Because when your going on about "Left" do you mean left wing socialists? Liberals? Or maybe you mean left wing politics in general but define left wing politics in general will you? I would love to see that because you know so much about LEFT WING socialism.... LEFT WING socialism... Please explain... Just for the benifit of us LEFT WING socialists here because we would all like to know your in depth description of LEFT WING socialism... Oh don't forget to mention the UK's socialist party.... Seen as you know so much more than us LEFT WING socialists... You know... LEFT WING...

No I described a fight that freed your worthless ass.... You still got a stick up your ass because you Americans "Dropped a bomb" during the second world war? No wait, did I say during? I meant at the end because you guys didn't come in till the end if history is correct.... And you dropped a bomb or two.... How many Americans died during the the second world war compared to ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES??? Wait, did america win the war for us? Or was it these stupid Russian commies and English socialists that did? DOn't pass judgement on my grandfather... He ACTUALLY fought DURING the second world war for his country and yours. He didn't jump in near the end and he was a war veteran, along with hundreds of thousands of others that had the same in common with my grandfather... My grandfather was great man... He fought for his country, unlike your sorry ass that just sits there by a computer rewriting history. I bet your not even old enough to vote....

So you are denying the fact that your forefathers were so insane that they would have been put to death if they stayed in the UK.... You see, if your "native" American then you have every right to say that... But then, if not, your either of some other ethnic origon or you believe in the word of your forefathers.... Erm... The forefathers that were indeed exiled from the UK.... Because they were wackjobs... Boo hoo.... YOUR forefathers stole the land of the native Americans and gave them diseases... The colonial period... You know your own history yeah? You were losing... Miserably but then the FRENCH came along and helped you... Weird how your taking credit for that... You see, if the FRENCH hadn't come... The English would still have OWNED your ass.... Well done general Lafayette! (You have a street named after him... and have a debt of honour to him... But you know your own history yeah?)

Heres a link or two for you...

http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/le970701-10.html

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/95sep/lafayette.html

Nice...

So theres no "right wing" socialist then? None what so ever? And then heres where I tell you that the time socialism stops being socialism when facism comes into play... You see Thatcher was leaning towards facism... Thatcher? Socialist? Erm... No... Hitler, started off a RIGHT WING socialist and then went powerhungry and well... Was facist and a dictator.... The line is drawn and there is no point telling you that there is a left and right wing to every political party. a fine line drawn indeed but then, your an idiot so you wouldn't really understand at all because you like to rewrite your own history and catigorize everything bad as socialism and communism because... Your a shitty capitalist... Actually, your a VERY shitty capitalist... I used to just think that capitalism was okay, not my cup of tea but if its what people voted in then it must do some good... But then, if everyone who voted capitalism is just like you then I would think that capitalism is governed by stupid people... But I only have to look at Bush to know that.





I never said you were...

The russians won the second world war and my grandfather was not a "commie"... Your not even READING my posts, your just guessing... Your a fucking idiot!!!

Yet again, proof that your repetative babblings are indeed all the fuel you really have on your full of shit rampage... Is that all you really have? Everytime your backed into a corner or you have no real observations or facts, you blurt that out.... Your an idiot. Obviously not even old enough to vote....

Lenina,

If you are going back that far into history then you should know it was more of a civil war at that point. Most American colonists still had British accents in them days.

JLB... Your a pissy little 16 year old with the mentality of a brick wall... You voted for Regan huh? In which reality? I don't believe you. Anyone whos as stupid as you must be a 16 year old... I mean, if you were that old, you would at least find something to do with your time instead of arguing with socialists on a message board. Besides, this place is called DARKFORUM, I mean, what would an old fart like you be doing on DARKFORUM just posting on the politics message board? What exactly did you type in your search engine? "Goth politics?" I mean, do you actually lead an alternative lifestyle? Are you actually interested in the other forums here? Do you actually know any posters other than the ones that post on the politics forums?

As for you judging my grandfather as a commie... Well, you know, I never mentioned anything about my grandfather in the context of being a commie so I don't know where you got that idea from....

Me being commie... Well, if you would have just clicked on to my alias about... say... 2001 when I FIRST posted here you would have known that my alias is LENINA... Take off the "A" and you have LENIN.... You know... The commie leader of Russia... I admire Lenin, doesn't make me a commie although I do know the pros and cons of communism so theres no need for your sorry ass to explain it to me.

And lastly, there is a RIGHT WING to socialism. But if you were... OLDER then you would understand and see that.... But I don't expect much from you really... Just the obvious crap...

Just so you know... I voted liberal democrats for the general elections and I voted Labour for the local elections when I turned 18.... I vote Liberal Democrats every year for the local elections.

Sixgun, I know that but then... Why were they exiled from the UK? Because they were INSANE!!! Thats why...

One more thing, I like the cop out JLB... "Im an Immagrant" Yeah so am I... Im actually from France so you should be thanking me.... But Im not am I... Im English and my whole history is English, the sane English, not the INSANE English that migrated to America because they were INSANE! Did you actually read my links? Silly question... Of course you didn't.... You never do so that was pointless...

A senator who died went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked,"What are all those clocks?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie Clocks. Everyone on earth has a Lie Clock. Everytime you lie the hands on the clock move." Oh said the senator. "whose clock is that?" "That's Mother Teresa's. She's never told a lie, and therefore the hands have never moved. "Whose clock is that?" "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved only twice, telling us that Honest Abe told only two lies in his entire life. The senator then asked, " Where's George Bush's clock?" St. Peter replied, "It's in Jesus office. He's using it for a ceiling fan."

Okay JLB... Okay.... Thank you for that in depth examination of that... I am so enlightened by that, thank you for your lack of answers... I just handed you a plate of your own ass and you still just don't care... Still talking around in circles.... What will it take JLB? What will it take for you to just stop reverting back to your old defence mechanism? Why don't you just argue my post properly instead of picking and chosing parts of my posts and replying to them? What will it take to just answer ALL of my questions and stop ignoring the facts? Do you believe in the statement "Ignorance is bliss"?

So thats what you say when the facts slap you in the face?

Of course you are.... Thats I handed you a plate of your own ass... Wheres the facts JLB... Give me links to the fact that you actually know your own history and not just rewrite of your deluded mind... Prove me wrong... Do it... Do it now... Go on JLB do it because I handed you a few links and argued my points well... All you have done is gave me oneliners telling me Im wrong... And please hand me something other than your shitty ammo stating that Im a socialist... I have heard it all before in a number of threads... So tell me JLB, where exactly were you pointing out fact to me on this thread? Where exactly? The FACT I can see comming from you is that your just talking in circles... You know, why don't you just stop posting replies to me... Either that or just ADMIT that you are wrong instead of talking in circles and reverting back to the same old shit you so love to call fact.... I have seen nothing but your choice of words to back up the FACT that you really DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO REPLY TO MY POSTS BECAUSE IM ACTUALLY RIGHT AND YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT!!! Thanks...

In your deluded reality maybe....

Wow, so, changing the subject back onto how Im a socialist and how I admire a revolutionary long since dead... Wow, who would have guessed that you would revert back to that after being backed up into a corner...? Im really glad we had this converation JLB, you really opened my eyes to the fact that your really, not only stupid but an egotistical asshole full of shit too....

Why don't you answer my questions? I asked you loads of stuff and you just answer with "Your a socialist". Come to think of it, forget it, don't bother. You have yourself in a corner and now your trying to revert to the same argument about socialism and communism being one and the same which I have heard a thousand times...

Why are you so interested to know why I admire a revolutionary long since dead? Why? What will that conversation achieve? Will it make you change your opinon? Or will this turn out into yet another argument?

Heres the whole conversation for you anyway, I might as well plan it ahead.

Lenina: Lenin was a revolutionary, I admired his ideals of smashing the power and giving it back to the people.
JLB: He was a commie mass murderer.
Lenina: So you have said... On a number of occasions. I liked the theory, it just didn't work in practice.
JLB: What would you know? Your a socialist and socialism is exactly the same as communism.
Lenina: No its not.
JLB: Hitler was a socialist
Lenina: No he wasn't, he was insane.
JLB: He was a socialist lefty.
Lenina: There is a right wing to every political party JLB.
JLB: No there isn't because Im an elitist bastard high on crack that my captialist money pays for.
Lenina: So what about you JLB? Why haven't you answered any of my questions? Why do you revert back to your old argument when it has been covered a thousand times?
JLB: Socialist.
Lenina: Yeah but answer my questions JLB.
JLB: Socialist
Lenina Yeah I know, so answer my questions then.
JLB: Socialist.

And so it goes on... Proof in fact that I am a socialist.... Establish that fact till your blue in the face and still you will come up with... IM A SOCIALIST... SO just quit that and stop trying to grasp back the OLD OLD OLD conversation about establishing that fact over and over and over bacuse really thats all you want to talk about because you have no other line of argument to reply with any of my OTHER subjects I handed you palte of your own ass on.

Im just relying on the reassuring fact that one day... You will die...

You seem to be confused as to the meaning of your words. The term "insane" is not, as you seem to believe, applied to those whom you might happen to dislike, but rather to those whose views of reality differe fram the actual facts of reality. As an example, you believe that all European settlers were not only disease-ridden, but in fact, intentionally disease-ridden, as part of their war. That is to say, you advocate the theory that Europeans intentionally contracted syphillis and the small pox, boarded their ships, sailed to the Americas, then proceeded on a program intent on spreading these diseases to the native people the encountered, apparently as some attempt to seize the lands of the Seneca and the Chippewa, laughing gleefully maniacally over their new domains for the approximate five months they were able to enjoy them, before dying from their various and sundry wasting and debilitating diseases. Ahhh, also, as is always the case with idiotic, pampered white people who know NOTHING about actual American Indian culture, but are raised to feel some kind of guilt in that area by hippie parents, you believe that the American Indians were complete saints, and that every conflict that ever arose between white (or black) settlers and Native Americans was the settler's sole responsibility.

I'll agree that the US should have gotten involved in WWII sooner, but then, we weren't the ones who imposed such strict penalties on Germany in the aftermath of WWI that Hitler was able to rise to power there, nor were we directly threatened by close proximity to Germany, Italy, or Japan at the time. We didn't get involved until we were attacked, but that's largely true of most of Europe's nations- going to war is usually bad for public opinion, and that's what politicians care about. Well into Hitler's reign, after he had already conquered other nations and begun his purge of "undesirables" from his country, Churchill was one of only a handful of British with any desire to stop him, with the rest of the country regarding him as a warmonger for his views. So while this isn't an actual defense of our inaction, it is the most common tactic in political debate; we may have been assholes in this case, but everyone else was just as big (or bigger) of an asshole.

How many times do I have to flush before you go away?

I cannot be the only one who has noticed how this is exactly like arguing with a fanatical Christian, save for the difference in ideology.
Demagogues think alike.

I have never seen you win an argument. What the hell is wrong with you? Black Knight syndrome?

If you frequent somethingawful.com I'm going to be really surprised. Although I'm not at all surprised that you can't comprehend satire. Nor am I surprised that you would want me to shut up, now that other people have started expressing different opinions on the board you have began steadily regressing into an increasingly infantile state showing your inability to handle democracy.