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Voters Shift in Favor of Kerry

By Ronald Brownstein Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — Widespread unease over the country's direction and doubts about President Bush (news - web sites)'s policies on Iraq (news - web sites) and the economy helped propel Sen. John F. Kerry to a solid lead among voters nationwide, according to a new Times poll.


Yet in a measure of the race's tenuous balance, Times polling in three of the most fiercely contested states found that Bush had a clear advantage over Kerry in Missouri and is even with the presumed Democratic rival in Ohio and Wisconsin.


The surveys suggest that attitudes may be coalescing for a contest that pivots on the classic electoral question at times of discontent: Will voters see more risk in stability or change?


More than one-third of those questioned in the nationwide poll said they didn't know enough about Kerry to decide whether he would be a better president than Bush. And when asked which candidate was more likely to flip-flop on issues, almost twice as many named Kerry than Bush.


Yet Kerry led Bush by 51% to 44% nationally in a two-way matchup, and by 48% to 42% in a three-way race, with independent Ralph Nader (news - web sites) drawing 4%.


Lifting Kerry is a powerful tailwind of dissatisfaction with the nation's course and Bush's answers for challenges at home and abroad. Nearly three-fifths believe the nation is on the wrong track, the highest level a Times poll has recorded during Bush's presidency.


Also, 56% said America "needs to move in a new direction" because Bush's policies have not improved the country. Just 39% say America is better off because of his agenda.


Majorities disapprove of Bush's handling of the economy and Iraq, despite recent encouraging news on both fronts.


Such dissatisfaction is moving voters like Joseph Rechtin, a retired postal worker in Cincinnati, toward Kerry, even though the Massachusetts senator has not yet made a very sharp impression on him.


"I haven't seen that much that [Kerry] can provide us real leadership," Rechtin said. "But it's more than three years now, and we don't seem to be going anywhere at all, and this involvement in Iraq is taking us down the wrong path. So I definitely feel we need a leadership change."


The surveys showed that Bush still enjoyed significant political strengths, including virtually undivided support from his base and continued admiration for his handling of the struggle against terrorism. Nationally, his general approval rating is just above 50% — the mark that has divided the winners from the losers in recent presidential elections involving an incumbent.


His assets are enough for Bush to maintain a double-digit advantage in Missouri with Nader in the mix, and to remain essentially even with Kerry in Ohio and Wisconsin, even though majorities in each state say the country should change direction.


"Bush is a very strong person, and that's what we need for a president," said Harley Wilber, a machine operator in Milwaukee and a Vietnam veteran. "If we had Kerry … in there, [he] would be kind of wishy-washy."


The Times Poll, supervised by polling director Susan Pinkus, interviewed 1,230 registered voters in the national sample, as well as 566 registered voters in Missouri, 722 in Ohio and 694 in Wisconsin from Saturday through Tuesday. The margin of sampling error for the national sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points; for the state polling it is plus or minus 4 percentage points.


The view of Bush as a strong leader is a powerful motivator for his supporters: Among the voters who express a favorable opinion of him, as many cite strong leadership as any other factor in explaining their opinion.


Michelle Mann, a stay-at-home mother in Oklahoma City, said she saw Bush as "a resolute man, and he is doing what he firmly believes is the right thing to do" without worrying about political consequences or reactions from other nations.


She added: "As long as it is best for the American people, he is willing to go the distance."





Yet the national poll found that Kerry had erased Bush's earlier advantage on leadership skills, blunting one of the core arguments for the president's reelection.

Asked which candidate "will be a strong leader for the country," voters divided exactly in half, with 44% choosing each; in a Times' poll in March, Bush held a 9-percentage-point lead on that question.

Also, while Bush narrowly led in March when voters were asked which candidate "has the honesty and integrity to serve as president," the two now are essentially tied, with Bush attracting 41% and Kerry 40%.

On other personal attributes, the poll indicates that Americans are making clear distinctions about the two candidates' strengths and weaknesses.

By 50% to 31%, those polled said Bush would be best at "keeping the country safe from terrorism." By 45% to 36%, Bush was picked over Kerry when voters were asked which man shared their moral values. Perhaps most troubling for the Democrat, nearly half said Kerry "flip-flops on the issues," while just a quarter applied that description to Bush.

But for Bush, the flip side of the flip-flop charge is a deepening perception that he is too rigid: By a resounding 58% to 16%, poll respondents said the phrase "too ideological and stubborn" applied more to Bush than to Kerry.

Bill Baggett, a retired accountant in Commerce Township, Mich., said he preferred Kerry's willingness to change his mind over what he saw as Bush's intransigence. Kerry's flexibility, Baggett said, "to me is a sign of intelligence."

Voters also preferred Kerry by about 10 percentage points when asked which man had better ideas for improving the economy and a better chance of building "respect for the United States around the world."

Kerry has established these advantages even while voters are just filling in their portrait of him. More than one-third of them — and nearly half of independents — said they did not know enough about Kerry "to decide whether he would be a better president" than Bush. Just 53% said they knew a great deal or even a fair amount about Kerry's domestic policies; only 42% felt that way about his foreign policies.

Yet Kerry has planted some flags with the public. He has been criticized by some Republicans and veterans over his activities during the Vietnam War era, when he enlisted in the Navy but protested the war after returning from combat. But nearly three-fifths of those surveyed agreed that "in his combat missions in Vietnam, John Kerry (news - web sites) demonstrated qualities America needs in a president." Just one-third said that in protesting the war, "Kerry demonstrated a judgment and belief that is inappropriate in a president."

Those answers may help explain Kerry's strong showing on what is likely to be a critical test in the election: 59% said they were very or somewhat confident he would be a good commander in chief; just 38% expressed doubts.

One of Bush's assets is some voters' belief that he has been a strong commander in chief on one front: 54% approve of his performance in the war on terrorism.

But on the economy, 54% of voters disapprove of his performance, while 43% approve. That's virtually unchanged from March, despite several months of strong job growth.

Eventually, that growth may boost Bush. But for now, 52% of voters said they believed Bush's economic policies had hurt the economy, while just 22% said his actions had improved it.

On Iraq, 44% approve of his performance, while 55% disapprove. That's down sharply from March, when a slight majority backed him on this issue. The new poll also found that only 35% believed Bush had "offered a clear plan" to achieve success in Iraq, while 44% said he had not.

Bush scores better on his overall approval rating, partly because of his continuing strength on the terrorism issue and partly because of his virtually unanimous support from Republicans and independents who consider themselves conservative. In the new poll, 51% approved of his performance while 47% disapproved, down only slightly since March.

Over the last 50 years, presidents who have won another term have generally enjoyed approval ratings about 55% or more by this point in the election year, while those who lost had fallen below 50%. So Bush finds himself on the cusp.

Bush also is bolstered by solid leads among culturally conservative groups that have favored Republicans over the last generation: married couples, rural voters, those who attend church services regularly (especially whites) and gun owners.

But Kerry has unified Democrats, muted the traditional GOP advantage among men and opened a narrow edge among suburbanites.

Kerry also performs well among many groups that his party's nominees have traditionally relied upon: women, singles, those who attend religious services rarely or never and lower-income families.

In a three-way race, Nader has little effect on these dynamics.

With Kerry still an opaque figure for many, Bush looms as the clear fulcrum of this race. More than 80% who approve of the president's performance said they would vote for him; more than 90% who disapprove said they would pull the lever for change.
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I can dig it.

There's an interesting website called:

http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbuti...himanyway.com/

I'll be the first to admit that no one is sure how much there really is to him...but something different needs to happen.


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Oh yeah, the other thing is, Karl Rove is a mastermind. Don't doubt his ability to make a big Bush Push. The guy viciously smeared McCain (who I would have voted for) in South Carolina. He has no shame.


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Agreed. Hell, I'd vote for McCain now if he were running.


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A Kerry-McCain ticket is something people seem to be dreaming about...though it'd be more appealing if it were McCain-Kerry. I wonder if such a crossover will ever happen?


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I think Kerry should pick up Senator Kennedy as a running mate.... that would be a blow to the Bush Campaign that they may not recover from... especially because Ted Kennedy is a Republican

Never seen a bipartisan running team before... hehe....



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That'd be a slap in the face of conventional US politics. I welcome the thought, but fear it just a dream...


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The entire American system only works correctly when the government itself is made up of moderates...it can not and will not hold up when the extremes of EITHER side take hold.


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That goes for any democratic system. If a single party takes control (even by fair election) then that party can rule by whim, within the borders of it's constitution (and in case of a total majority, can change the constitution too probably). This was the way Hitler came to power in pre-nazi germany... In 1936 I believe it was.


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More or less. Hitler was able to polarize the nation, since they were so distraught over Germany's poor economic state. He blamed the Weimar government, the communists, and the Jews, and it went from there...


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And America blames:
Communists(Red Scare/Cold War).
Terrorists(9/11 and whatnot).
Democrats/Republicans(Some republicans blame dem's and vice versa..just look at these boards for a fine example of that).


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As long as the moderates are the ones that hold through...either party...


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Which is the problem. Even though there are many outspoken liberal extremists, the Democratic party is largely moderate right now. The Republican party is being overtaken by extremists, and moving farther to the right.


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Which is the problem. Even though there are many outspoken liberal extremists, the Democratic party is largely moderate right now. The Republican party is being overtaken by extremists, and moving farther to the right.


There are no moderate Democrats, except for Lieberman and Miller. The rest are radical socialists, out of touch with America.


Ps, your poll is BS, according to Slate.



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Miller's a DINO, and Lieberman's an idiot.

Cite on the Slate? I'm lazy tonight.


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Amazing..in one fell swoop he just insulted every Democrat except for 2, or rather insulted them by saying something he considers an insult.

Ah...children never cease to amaze me with their broad generalizations and lack of imagination.


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