i apriciate that but i promise you im nothing like that in person. im more like that black guy off star trek.

We all have many sides, I'm a regular sybil. Actually, I'm much nicer than I may come across. Good place to take out ones frustrations of the daily grind. In fact, I have to go to work in 4 hours, crap! I love going to work without sleep and a hang over.

Athiesm kills more, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Lenon, Kim Jong Il.

And those others you mentioned didnt write NEW versions of the bible, they used old versions and just said they were right, when they clearly werent.

Beautifully worded. Not much substance, but beautiful nonetheless.

Whats the matter sweetheart, no substance to back up all that hot air? Any fucking moron who studies English can be as verbose as you, but do you bring and ideas to the table? I would guess not.

Oh, Billy my dear....

I can debate if I were so inclined, however, I know your type (if indeed you truley uphold your beliefs and are not just engaging in a group "mind fuck" to get off). It's just, I've had these types of "conversations" with people of your inclination and I always end up VERY HEATED. If I felt you were just a little open to considering various points of view, then hell yah... bring it on baby!!!

On a positve note, your quite a colorful character, but I must digress... I'm told not to encourage you. HA!

Then there really is no reason for you to make posts in this thread is there? I am not interested in the superfluous.

You fucking people make me sick! I'll try to slap a little reality into your pathetic little mind.

YOU ARE JUST AS JUDGEMENTAL AND CERTAIN OF THE CORRECTNESS OF YOUR POSITION AS BILLY IS!!!!

Everybody who has a strong opinion about anything is certain that they are right. Nobody is different on this point, unless they are spineless. Teling another person with strong opinions, and it doesn't matter what they are, that they should be open to consider others is liberal codespeak for "SHUT UP AND AGREE WITH ME!", and if you were honest, instead of trying to candy coat your bullshit, you'd take the same approach when you try to make the case for whatever it is you believe.

So get the fuck off of your own high-pedestal, or STFU!

First off I never claimed to be correct, only desiring to engage in open dialog, allowing a little room for consideration, SIMPLE! So keep your hands in your pockets... my reality, as with yours suits me fine!

Secondly, there are definitely certain areas were I am stead fast in my political position, however, if there is mutual respect within the conversation then I can enjoy the debate. And hopefully I may learn something new within the process. Also, I NEVER said his opinion doesn't matter, I was refereeing to his approach, which I in turn did the same (that's were I'm guilty). I mean come on... the "climate" in this forum is fairly aggressive. Just stating the obvious!

Finally you made a huge assumption/implication on my political stance!!! I don't ever remember mentioning I am of a liberal persuasion. Sorry, no tree hugging hippie here, I am an independent (or as some may like to say afraid to commit). I can not whole hardily agree with any one party, I see the strenghts and weaknesses in all.

With that being said, whats the consensus on Tony Blair stepping down? Being that I can not stomach the visual media, I prefer to get my news elsewhere; not to mention I've been working so much I have yet to really sit down and read for any lenght. Based on the very little information I've aquired, I can only assume his motives.

FYI- I am being sincere here, all sarcasm aside.

Atheism doesnt kill people, crazy fascist dictators kill people. Just because they were atheists doesnt mean they were killing in the name of their non-religion.

Yeah fr0g.... but try to argue that one to the far-christian right. Both the Athiests and the far christian right are nutters. Pol-pot was actually raised Catholic and went to a catholic school. Later on to be agood commie he committed to Atheism in name only. He was pretty much a sprinkled catholic the whole time though That does in no way factor into him killing millions. Nor does atheism. He was attempting to bring his country back into a strong agrerian lifestyle by slaughtering the excess population and sending thousands more into the boonies to grow rice.

Lunacy knows no boudaries, no group is exempt from taking ideas and actions to extremes...

The thing is you can always NOT believe in the existence of the christian god without having to be an athiest. It is just a nice plug word which has taken the place of pagan since the stupid witchcraft movement has taken over that term along with the crazy spiritualists and rock lovers.

This is true, at least how I see it.
I myself am a "free-lancer" of sorts, and now I am an open target... HA!

Oh, yeah... but crazy facist dictators who kill who happen to be into a religion are doing it BECAUSE of the religion right?

That would be a loose assumption and a dangerous approach. Whatever happened to personal accountability, thinking for oneself? It's far too convinent, regardless if I agree with the message or not, to place the blame on a group.

What? Don't type things if you're not following the conversation. This line of discussion stemmed from a moron saying Religion kills, to which I replied atheism kills more. The angry atheists of course had to say that wasn't true, so I made a statement illustrating the absurdity of their and the original commenter's claim. If it wasn't Atheism that killed 6 million jews, millions of Chinese, Laotians and Ukrainians, then maybe, just maybe it wasn't religion that killed millions of indigenous Americans, jews in Spain, and other assorted victim groups. I'd never be able to get a moron atheist to admit that maybe religion and atheism were just minor fragments of a greater puzzle involving a lunatic who wanted POWER and needed reasons to take it, though. Because ya know then they wouldn't be able to bash on Christians anymore. And if they cant do that, HOW the hell do you expect them to be cool in front of their friends and reeeeaaalllly stick it to their moms and dads?

there's no backing to show they were aiethist, just because the guy at the end of the bar claims to be a millionaire doesnt mean he is. they gutted their opposision, its nothing new.