What do you think of the BNP?

Not one of you tea drinking limeys has an opinion on this?

I've talked to people who are members of it. I was hoping to get the opinions of some people who aren't.

I think they're an irrelevant bunch of racist idiots, who do their best to stir up racial hatred and split my country in half so that they can try and gain power.

They're luckily a tiny minority, and most of them aren't very intelligent, so they'll never amount to anything.

I dont drink tea, maybe thats the problem.

What is there to say about the BNP? I dont think they`d be much different from the KKK if they became a poltical party in the UK and tried to present a voter-friendly image of themselves.
The beliefs they have:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...er/beliefs.stm
is enough for me not to like them.

Even some of their members don't really know much about them, it seems. One of their councillors just left them because, once she was voted in, she realised that the BNP were talking loads of shit, and that areas with concentrated Asian populations weren't getting preferential treatment after all.

Basically they just play up to ignorance, and peddle lies about immigrants and about themselves. Yet they've had very little success. A few council seats in Burnley, more or less. Most people who vote for them don't really like them, they just use them as a protest vote to get the major parties to look at asylum issues.

Btw, what did the members that you talked to have to say about it?

First I want to apologize for the limey comment. I should have put a smilie at the end of that. It came off looking harsher than it was meant.



All positive. They say the party is growing and before long will be in a position to elect candidates. Some complain about the party moderating its views to make a better sales pitch, but even those see the advantages.

That's why I wanted to see some opinions from others who aren't involved with it.

BTW did you know some American racists send money to the BNP? Apparently its legal, but the amount from foreign sources is regulated.

BNP is irrelevent, the liberal asylum laws have pretty much given the keys of Europe to the muslims.

Look at the high birthrates of the muslim settlers and compare it to the negative birthrate of the Europeans. The muslims will be the majority population there in a few decades and that will be the end of Western Civilization in Europe.

I took it as a joke - I'm sure everyone else did too.

The BNP has grown slightly, but it doesn't have a single MP and never has. It has a handful of town councillors. As a political party they're a joke. As the organisation encouraging the racist street thugs who launch physical violent attacks on anyone who isn't white or who disagrees with their repulsive views, they're anything but a joke.

Yes - I had heard that. There's very little support for the BNP in the UK, and so very little money. That's why it has to get funds from abroad.

And yes, there's a set limit on foreign funding for political parties in the UK - it's there to stop another country effectively controlling the UK by being the majority funder of the party in government.

Well, I'll agree that the BNP are and irrelevancy.

And I'm proud of the fact that the UK has offered asylum to many people - just as the US did (to Jews during WW2) and continues to do. It's a great humanitarian tradition.

The BNP have certainly been trying to stir up racial hatred by claiming that Muslims will take over the UK - to anyone who actually lives in the UK this is obviously nonsense. That's why the BNP don't have an MP - they talk shit.

Sixgun, could you cite your sources for the Muslim population of Western Europe, their birthrate, and also the non-Muslim population of Western Europe and their birthrate - you obviously have *all* of these figures otherwise you wouldn't have been able to make the claim. Then we can all do our own maths and see if what you're saying is right or just some made-up nonsense.

In the USA we do it differently. Foreign donations are illegal, so the aspiring donors set up a front corporation and launder the money through that.


Thank you all for the opinions.

it's tough to find primary sources for this internet

A large proportion of this increase is Muslim. The UN says that Europe's Muslim population has doubled over the past decade from eight to sixteen million, and it is predicted to continue to rise at the rate of one million per year. This contrasts sharply with the negative birth rates of many of the native European ethnic groups. Across the European Union (EU), the birth rate hovers around 1.5 children per woman.

i can find tons of articles that refer to the higher birthrate of the immigrants, but no hard numbers, at least, not in english.

do you have some statistics that disagree with this common perception?

There seems to be some big Anti-Muslim drive in the states at the moment when in actuallity the States have a smaller pro-capita muslim population then the UK and Europe.

The BNP is playing on the concerns of immigration (Muslim and Non-Muslim) and that is the worry. They're trying to incite racial hatred and they're doing all too well. In heavily segregated minority communities, racially motived violence is alarmingly high. (Although I don't trust all the figures on this one because definining a crime differently from a racially motivated crime is difficult)

The BNP is no less worrying then the KKK. They're a quasi-political associated with Neo-Nazi links

I'm concerned at the Anti-Muslim bigotry the states seems to be spouting. I wonder if the fact a hard-core chrisitian and his cronies are in power at the moment may have anything to do with this.

Neon

There are about 350 million people in the EU (which I think is what the 16 million Muslim figure counts for). So, if they increase at 1 million a year it will take 334 years for them to overtake the indigenous population. Or if the indigenous population decreases at the same rate (I don't think it's going faster because Europe isn't shrinking. Let's ignore other immigrants for now, because Muslims are the big majority and this is only rough) then it will be over 150 years. All of this assumes that Muslims will keep wanting to come here forever, which they may well not do. So if you worry about this sort of thing then you're being hysterical.

Secondly, this whole 'Muslim takeover' theory presupposes the idea that Muslims are in some way our enemies, and that we need to outdo them, or that they'll impose Sharia law or something. Xenophobic trot, in other words.