I was thinking about War today, and I figured I'd pose a question to the Darkforum masses. I'd ask that you give it some thought before spouting off your standard left or right response, obviously I already know what Billy or Iron's Rite will say, but I'd like people to consider the implications of the answer.

Given the way we are fighting the war in Iraq today, if we were held to the same standards of "morality" during World War 2, would the allies have been victorious?

Are the acts of pure devastation committed by the allies justified by the pure evil of Nazi Germany? Would those same acts of devastation be allowed today? What kind of world would we live in if they hadn't been? Its a complicated line of thought, and a frightening one.

I dont think we would have won WWII if we had fought like we do today... but today we have live news coverage, press following every major figure around and listening to their conversations. nothing is hidden, everything is in your face... and if you miss the news at 10pm you can just turn the station to one of the 4 major 24hour news networks. I dont think its a question of whether or not the tactics are right/wrong but rather what the war-machine can get away with.

Different wars call for different strategies. I think that if Iraq was as powerful as the US and was a true threat then it would have been carpet bombed and nuked. But I don't know... is the reason for not carpet bombing everyone we don't like really due to "morals"? It's just a different strategy. If we started carpet bombing and nuking stuff then that would be much worse for us that what we're already stuck in.

I think it’s hard to compare the war in Iraq with WWII, We all ready won the war in Iraq, it’s the occupation that’s all messed up. The other big difference is that in WWII we got involved after it started We don’t have to convince other countries to fight on our side, if we had some how gotten involved in WWII before Europe and used the same diplomacy we are currently I don’t think things would have gone very well. An other difference is that in WWII we had a clear goal, I’m still not sure what the goal of the war in Iraq currently is.

For the most part I agree with you, All thou we get news faster today, it seams to be more censored, There’s plenty of photos of dead US troops from WWII, but in Iraq there are rules against even taking pictures of coffins

Have you seen flags of our fathers, an interesting story about manipulating the truth

I think you have the comparison wrong. If you need to compare the war in Iraq with World War II, then the USA would be playing the part of Nazi Germany and the Iraqi's would be, say, the French resistance.

You're a fucking idiot.

You beat me to it.

I see the main difference is the spread of race diversity and multiculturalism.
Back then you have to remember the worlds cultural identities were separated into different groups throughout the globe.
Today you have a bigger mix of people and much less specific "national pride".
Not to mention people are more likely to question the government than blindly follow it's views. I think this has mostly happened as a direct result of past atrocities inflicted by governmental bad decisions.
Hence why I don't believe there would be any reason ever naming future wars WW3, WW4 and so on. The world of the past has changed immensly compared to today.

Dont even bother Fr0g, this guy said that the Green party was too conservative for his tastes.

Yeah, thats why I didn't put much thought into my response .

There may not be too many photos, but damn if there isnt some ghoulish orgasmic countdown by the liberal media every night of the casualties.

Fox is liberal? Rupert Murdoch made a public statement during an interview recently saying that Fox had tried to manipulate the public opinion on the war , but they had failed.

ABC ran or wanted to run a so called documentary on the event’s leading up to 911 their story had false information that they created and contradicted the 911 commission report and tried to blame it on Clinton right before the November elections, they even tried to get it broadcast in to class rooms as a history lesson. You call this liberal.

The United States is listed at #44 on the 2006 World Press Freedom Index. That’s pretty far down the list for the country that is suppose to be the example for democracy and freedom, you call that liberal?

lol Fox is wierd, sometimes theyre conservative, sometimes theyre liberal. Everything else though has a hard liberal bend for the most part in this country.

The 9/11 being blamed on Clinton thing isnt conservative rewriting of history, its the fucking truth. The guy did dick in all 8 years because he was obsessed with tracking down personal enemies and ruining thier lives and fucking stupid impressionable women who were easily seduced by his office.

By the way, we arent a democracy. We are a republic. And I dont give a rats ass what the rest of the commie loving liberal media from Europe thinks about us not being as liberal as they are. We may not have as many moonbat nutroot crazies like they do overseas, but the ones we do have are still pretty fucked up. See MSNBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, the NY Times, the LA Time etc for examples.

i read a brilliant article on this a while back in a newspaper. i swear if i ever find out what paper it was and who wrote it, i'll write in for a copy. it was amazing.

i won't say all of it, but such things as due to freedom of speech and rights and religious equality, the end of the article ended... heil hitler.

you also have to remember america's position throughout the wars, their dates of entry, attacks against nazi germany and the japanese, the un, and their arms sales, and also the whole monetary system and loans and suchlike they gave out at the end of the war. would they have happened the way they did? meat free days in great britain due to the complete collapse of the economy? other things to think of...

Funny how conservative and conservation have the same root. There’s nothing wrong with JohnyZupers statement about the green party, but You and Billy don’t seem to understand what the green party.

Unfortunatly its YOU who doesnt understand what the green party is. I bumped into some asshole in my Scriptwriting class a week ago who wrote a monologue about being a green aprty tree hugger anmd the gyst of what this ugly lesbo dyke sandwhich with a thrice pierced lip said was that the enviornment is more important than human life and that human kind doesnt deserve to live, and that nature is perfect and man is flawed. TYPICAL liberal green party whacko. She also believes in Global warming which I plan on writing a mock PSA about next week to draw her into a fight in class in which i can ridicule and mock her.

I talk to in person to one of the 2 Green Party co chairs for my state several times a month, I all so exchange books with him, I find it an excellent way to get an understanding about the subject.

Yippie, ask him his he considers himself a liberal or a conservative. Just because Conservative has the word conserve in it doesnt mean thats the basis for the damned ideology.