Advocating the death penalty to ensure that a person does not recommit the same crime does not provide support for the Death Penalty. It demonstrates a weakness in the crimnal justice system. Your statement says that the crimanal justice system is unable to rehablitate and or prevent murder within its prisons. This is true but it should be a red flag to fix the problem not execute the inmates. Its like saying, the engine in the car is broken lets take it into the backyard and blow it up because its broken. It would make more sense to fix the engine right?

To provide support for the death penalty you must demonstrate that it works as a form of punishment. As pyric said murder has been around for along time so has the eye for an eye mentality and yet murder persists.

A car and a building are phyical objects (which are all subject to failure irregardless of man for example we didnt create sun and yet one day that will fail) it is difficult to draw comparison between something physicaly tangiable and somthing intangiable like a society. But we do seek to produce buildings/cars/trains/asphalt/humans that will not turn to dust. Like the car and the society it may never occur that does not mean we should not try.

Shitty analogy. If your engine doesnt work you CAN actually fix it. Inmates rarely reform and you cannot fix them. When your car engine is beyond repair it is time to junk it, rightfully so.

The idea being generally that a person isnt beyond repair, that there is hope for everyone. There are standards that should be met but the goal should be the biggest dream you can dream if its not why bother. All of everything we do is based on hope/faith tear down one small piece and the whole thing starts to crack.

Regardless. Can anyone demonstrate that a correlation between the death penalty and violent crime exists. A quick search yields alot of information demonstrating that murder rates are higher in death penalty states. Unfortunatly that is meaningless. I wonder if violent crime goes up or down when the death penalty is removed from a county oh well. Can anyone supply said info, or is this a heart to heart debate?

Violent crime also goes up when you remove guns from citizens hands. so what? The death penalty isnt a deterrant. Its a penalty.

I've seen prison reform people. Who says you cannot fix them? This is a pretty bold statement with little to back it up.

Provide data. I have never seen any that demonstrates that gun carrying citizens deter crimnal activity (I support the right to bear arms but this claim has no bases of fact).

Penalties exists to deter certain actions. If the death penalty does not deter violent crime it is a pointless penalty. Under your definition its revenge killing.

Youve seen prison reform murderers and rapists? Hm ok you win Fr0g, they can all live with you for the 1st 2 years they get outta prison then. Just so we can test the waters. Make sure to leave them home with your girlfriend alone too ok?

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less.../dp/0226493636

get reading.

And its not a pointless penalty. I have never seen someone who dies from lethal injection commit another murder, have you?

.....So death penalty = iraq discussion, i came back to this? I'm confused again.

You could always leave again. That's a sound solution, isn't it?

It's funny how many white people are on death row. A brotha killing a brotha in revenge and/or anger can get you 25 years or life with possible parole. But a mentally ill psychopath gets the death penalty.

Its racist to put black people to death for murder. Remember Tookie Williams? He was a reformed gentleman who was truly worried about kids joining his old gang, thats why he secretly ran it from prison.

I'd pretend to be reformed if it meant escaping the death penalty too. That's why I think there should be insurmountable evidence proving innocence to overturn a conviction or grant clemency to an inmate sentenced to death. The word of a gang banging murderer is not good enough for me.

Killing a murderer assures that the same crime will not be committed by the same person again. Nothing else is certain. If you are dead you will not be making other people dead. That is an absolute. A Life Sentence assures us that the chance remains that the murderer will commit the same crime again. The Death Sentence does nothing more than this. If you commit a murder you should be sentenced to death.

The statistics support Billys position. Though Billy is probably being a bit to stringent he is inherently correct.

Most convicted felons will commit another crime usually within the first couple of years of thier release. This is why they are always put on Parole when released for up to 2 years.

I agree with billy. Crappy analogy.

The justice system will never be truly fixxed. One mans justice can always be anothers crime. We have all agreed in this society to live by certain rules. You can move or you can live by them.

You said "inmates" not murderers and rapists, don't put words in my mouth. That being said, I'm sure some murderers and rapists can be reformed too, you have no fucking idea why people do the things they do, and don't even pretend that you do.

I think we dont just have murder or rape as terms to describe a myriad of crimes. If someone shoots someone out of self defense its not murder for example. People who get the death penalty are pretty much beyond redemption. And you know full well Fr0g I wasnt talking about people who cheat on thier taxes or who steal.