tradition? most americans still believe in a christian god, sadly enough.

Jehovah is a Christian?

I believe the word 'Christian' was used as a possessive, not an adjective.

Which would make "under God" symbolic of...what, exactly? How do you use God and not have people think in terms of religion?

You don't think that a person could believe in an entity that may be referred to as a God, without being religious?

Is Satan religious?

Can one "possess" one's God?

Are you being antagonistic on purpose, or are you just not understanding?

If you want to be entirely 'correct', you would say the Christian conception of God.

Well in that case, I agree with errantrogue but I fail to see whay that makes him sad.

Because the Christian god, in its current form, is exceptionally un-Christ-like?

Anyway, this belongs in Religion.

What kind of nonsense is this?

Are you trying to say that God has changed in the last 2000 years?

what people think he wants certainly has

I never said that God was real. The conception of God has DEFINITELY changed. Again: GO TO RELIGION.

Oh, I agree to that, but is that God's fault?

Do you often get into debates about things that you don't believe in?

it depends on you're approach to satan, from my understanding...satanist are not worshippers of satan persay, but i do believe luciferians do worship satan as an entity...satanism isn't one of my strong points...

it has...first there was the old testament, cruel and full of dire punishments for those who did not follow "god's" commands...you know, stoning witches, maiming women for being womanly, women being little higher than dogs, subservient to their husbands, no matter what he commands, because a husband should be as god for the wife...

destroying entire cultures and than converting them to worship, forbbidding them from pursuing their own way of life...their own languages...etc...how many cultures were lost because of "god's people"


and now there's the new testament, by king james i believe...softer, kindler, but more...restrictive based on a highly dominated male society that translated it from the cruelity of the new testament, to the controlling text that now prevades the world...

and now there are so many branches, versions, twists, turns, and even christian witches...so yes, i would say it has changed, unless you truly believe the world hasn't changed in two thousand years..if so, than you should get your nose out of politics and see that there's more than loser bush and ugly kerry...

the point is that "under god" no longer applies because there's more in america than those under god...i personally don't care, i would never utter those words, just stand with the motions...it's easy when there's twenty other kids uttering the words...

i also saw someone mention that it wasn't even added until the fifties...so who decided that many hundreds of years after america was founded, that what the forefathers supposedly put forth had to be changed?

I don't have to believe in it to purport to know something about it: I don't believe God exists. However, conceptions of God DO exist.

You are multi-cultural Multi-diverse ethinic soicety.

You need remidned of that fact, and if you preport to rule by the people for the people, then the under god should be dropped otherwise it is by the minority for the people.

Neon

but in america, isn't it a minority that is already ruling over the majority? I don't come across to many rich, white, christian businessmen walking down the street...

True, however the more power you wrest away form them, the more (in theory) you become representative.

Neon