gotta disagree with that, just want this supposed "democracy, and beacon of hope in the middle east" to live up to its hype.

Do you think our government should allow Companies owned by neo nazi white people to forbid non white non christians from dating or sleeping with white protestant women under threat of being fired?

I wonder how DM would feel if she got fired from her job one day down the road because she was dating someone black or whatever.

No, it's not, because I'm saying that this story does not exist in the Torah, whereas you are saying it does. You can prove yourself if you are right; I can never prove myself, because my only proof is a lack of proof, which isn't proof at all.

not true, i can prove that its not raining right now. The onus is on you, since youve read the torah and all that you can aptly prove to me where you read that the jews are a chosen people by god.. go ahead sweetum, the onus is on you, its your burden to find the proof.

Perhaps I am, but at least that's not because I run around throwing names like 'jew-hater' at anyone I diagree with. It's childish and utterly disrespectful to anyone who actually suffers under anti-Semitism or any other form of racism because it makes a joke of the whole issue.

No, it's really not (and you can't prove that it's not raining right now. I defy you to try). I'm not asserting any theory for who coined the term "Chosen People" or why. I'm asserting that your theory is crap. In order to repudiate this, you could simply find out where this myth you're supporting comes from. I, however, can't prove that the story you're putting forth doesn't exist, because I can't prove that anything doesn't exist. At best, I can only prove the existence of something that would indirectly indicate your story is wrong by exclusion.


So the burden of proof not only does rest on you, it has to do so. You made an initial claim (the story of Jews being God's chosen people because they're the only ones that wanted the Torah). You have failed to defend it.

Got to agree with DM on the technical point of debate.

sorry DM, you CAN prove a negative, but ill let you offer ANY proof either proving that im wrong, or proving what "chosen people means" sinc ei asked you to back up your claims the Onus is on you.

I noticed it was your B-day the other day... then i also noticed youre 20, which explains why youre so inconsistent and rarely can back your claims.

BtK - The only way that DM can prove that she's right is by posting the entire canon of human literature since the dawn of time to show that your theory doesn't exist. You simply have to post somewhere where you found this story. The onus is on you.

not true, i dont buy into the whole you cant prove a negative theory, thats bullshit, i can easily prove that its NOT raining, i can prove that i DIDNT read Grave of the fireflies. etc etc. The onus is on DM, i asked her for proof of any sort, eithe rproving that i am wrong, or by proving her position that indeed The "chosen" people bit means something other than what i said it does, she can EASILY prove this if she has her sources as she claims. THe onus is on her period.

Surely the big problem is racial segregation, the Jewish part of my family live in a predoinantly jewish area, the Catholic parts of my familiy live in very

sureley keeping segregated nations means you enforce segregation

neon

Nice thoughts Neon,..
Extended on what you were saying; maybe they're just trying to avoid discussing that word: "Multiculturealism"

I suppose it is rather an 'ugly' word, if your a dedicated right-wing, racist, fascist, and trying to avoid those politically correct terms..
Instead, encourage a racist ideology, for the 'pureity' of your race.

Talking about multiculturalism in Israel and Palestine is like suggesting that the armies at Armageddon sit down to talk things through over a cup of tea and a hobnob. Different kinds of people living together is a great thing, but not when they likely to slaughter each other rather than have interesting and worthwhile cultural exchanges.

Give it another fifty years and we'll see where we are then.

If Arafat or his successor are in charge, right where we are now:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...e.asp?ID=11685

Not really. Fascist is one of those nice, nearly meaningless terms that can be applied to pretty much everything.

I didn't use it in any intent, so your accusation is an impossibility. And the word has no specific meaning, unless you mean a proponent of Italian Nationalism, which very, very, very few people do. It's a general use word for "Someone promoting a doctrine of governemnt that threatens freedom/I don't like".

Maybe (as I suggested before), your just deluded, JLB.
Haven't you read the dictionary before ?

but then.. maybe this helps explain it better for your deluded attempt, at a political blurbs

So refering back to you rant;
Fascism, technically is a political ideology of an authorian system of government - which would be placed on the "right hand" side of the scale, as apposed to those ideas of; democracy and Liberalism.

Yeah.. I'd proably agree with that...
Give it another 50yrs, then maybe Multiculturalism could work in Israel and Palestine...
though, in my opinion, with a Zionist movement existing within the Israeli government, supporting racist ideals of the "purity" of the Jewish Race,
(So ironically similar to Hitler of course)
then the Armageddon you speak of, may just occur, and peace will never exist between Israel and Palestine.

It's many things. As I said, the word has an actual meaning, Italian Nationalism, and then it has an everyday, actual language meaning, which is as I said, governmental policies that are opressive or "bad".