Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions
Home Register FAQ
Go Back   Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions > Discussions > Debate and Discussion > Politics
Reload this Page . . . Maybe we are better off?
Politics Discuss . . . Maybe we are better off? in the Debate and Discussion forums; Dry Thy Tears By Israel Shamir 11-8-4 The re-election of President Bush is a sad event; the failure of Kerry is not. Before the election, we called ...

Register and remove some of the ads
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  (#1) Old
Iron's Rite is Offline
United States of Moronica
Iron's Rite is on a distinguished road
 
Iron's Rite's Avatar
 
Posts: 12,454
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: "The forest folded it's branches around me, something passed by and I went into a dream." -Opeth
Zodiac Sign: Sagittarius
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 252,861
   
. . . Maybe we are better off? - 11-12-04

Quote:
Dry Thy Tears
By Israel Shamir
11-8-4

The re-election of President Bush is a sad event; the failure of Kerry is not. Before the election, we called upon our American readers to vote for a Third Candidate. Some readers agreed and voted - for Nader or Greens or whomever their consciences were happy with. Today they have nothing to regret. Others objected, often vehemently, and proclaimed the main advantage of Kerry, namely: he is not George W Bush. Now those of you who did so are upset, and along with you many Europeans; they still regret the defeat of John Kerry.

This is a good time to re-read The Pickwick Papers by Charles Dickens. In this hilarious novel, a rogue and gold-digger Jingle elopes with a spinster Aunt Rachael; her relations, led by Mr Pickwick, apprehend the couple of their way to Gretna Green and pay off the rogue. The spinster was greatly saddened, but she was saved from a worse, lasting and painful disappointment.

Be comforted: the red-state voters played a Pickwick on you and saved you from a big disillusionment. Kerry and Bush were in full agreement regarding the war in the Middle East, from Palestine to Afghanistan, including Iraq and Iran. They were in full agreement on any point that really matters for the great majority of voters. Americans were allowed to choose who will bomb Iran and support Israel, privatise water and electricity, ruin families, promote alienation and profane the world such policies were never in dispute. Kerry supported Bush by voting to authorize the war in Iraq, for an increase in the Pentagon budget, for the Patriot Act, for the "right" to pre-emptive war. Kerry was politically situated between Joseph Lieberman and Dianne Feinstein. Kerry was supported by our adversaries: the New York Times, George Soros, and organised Jewry who gave him 80% of their vote. The only points Kerry differed on were those we objected to: gun control and other liberal-totalitarian shibboleths.

If John Kerry had won, our situation would be worse: he would have continued the policies of Bush and put a claim on much of the world's good will. His victory would have allowed the US to broaden their Coalition of the Willing; anti-war voices in Britain and elsewhere in Europe would die out; the main newspapers would call upon Europe to support this brand new American leader. The liberal opposition to the war represented by the Nation would lose its voice. The rift between the US and the rest of the world would shrink and heal while the US would continue to perpetuate the same policies that caused the rift in the first place. In short, victory of John Kerry would be a godsend for the Corporate US. Mercifully, this outcome was avoided.

The US of the second Bush's second presidency is now more isolated than ever. Many European leaders had expressed their hope that Bush would be removed; now they will have difficulty coming back under the US aegis. The anti-war campaign will be able to continue unabated. We shall have the liberals as our allies: provided they agree to the proposition of Alexander Cockburn of Counterpunch: "Set aside your quaint obsession with abortion and the rights of gays to marry each other. All in under the big tent. One party under God!" [1]

This view is consistently upheld by this list. John Spritzler of http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/ wrote: "If we drive people away from the anti-war movement because they don't have the "correct" views on issues like same-sex marriage or gun control or abortion or affirmative action or immigration, then we're only shooting ourselves in the foot". Indeed, it is the time to bring forth a Popular Front of all forces, whether 'progressive' or 'conservative,, against the War Party.

Our chances improved in these elections as the pro-Judaic forces took a beating: our friend Cynthia McKinney once defeated by the Lobby[2], came back victorious. The great Zionist Tom Daschle was booted out by people of South Dakota. Jim Moran who was demonised for his statement that the "strong support" of the Jewish community was driving the push toward a war with Iraq, won the election. Tom Coburn, who objected to TV screening of the Schindler List, also survived unscathed.

Our adversaries, strongest asset, their dominant position in the mainstream media, lost its magic touch. Has Hollywood become a liability for the Democrats? asks Reuters [3], while Noonan in the Wall Street Journal [4] pontificated: "Who was the biggest loser of the 2004 election? The mainstream media. Every time the big networks and big national newspapers tried to pull off a bit of mischief - the yeomen of the blogosphere and AM radio and the Internet took them down. It was to me a great historical development in the history of politics in America. It was Agincourt. It was the yeomen of King Harry taking down the French aristocracy with new technology and rough guts."

Judging by these results, the Judaic hold on American discourse is slipping. But we won't repeat the error of Justin Raimondo of Antiwar.com who was gleefully pleased with what appeared as a Jewish setback after the first Bush victory four years ago - a few months later, we learned of the Neo-Cons.

"'The Congress remains very strongly pro-Israel. It's always a question, are you going to get 80 or 83 on a pro-Israel initiative in the Senate. That's terrific,, said one Jewish fund-raiser who distributes money to pro-Israel candidates in both parties." reported the Jerusalem Post[5]. The Lobby is still extremely strong, but now we know: there are many, many Americans, who would like to take it down a rung or two.

Our list is pointing out to the winning strategy: the union of traditional isolationist conservatives and left radicals against the US interventions overseas, or in spiritual terms for Christ and against the double paradigm of Mammon and Zionism. The losing strategy was offered by some anti-Christian Kerryites who posted a map of post-election America: the Red states were marked "Jesus-land", the Blue "The US of Canada". The religious affiliation of the posters is too obvious to ponder. They want to turn their electoral defeat into an ideological victory of their anti-Christian policies. For us this dichotomy is unacceptable: a Red state, South Dakota, kicked out Daschle the Zionist, a Blue state, California, gave victory to an equally nasty Tom Lantos. This is the only criterion we are ready to apply.


Suggested reading: on the left, Alexander Cockburn on www.counterpunch.com

On the right, Justin Raimondo on www.antiwar.com
So long as the anti-war movement can remain strong enough to prevent the US from slipping into a full-blown facist state.

Full article link.


de vagorum ordine dico vobis iura
fatue fatue
quid prodest tibi laborare
[hildegard von bingen - ordo virtutum]
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#2) Old
coldandsilent is Offline
whirlwind
coldandsilent is on a distinguished road
 
coldandsilent's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,296
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Zodiac Sign: Gemini
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 15,110
   
11-12-04

I told people, America will fall within 50-100 years if we voted for kerry or bush, but closer to 50 (if not less) if we voted bush.


"The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.”
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#3) Old
Sixgun_Symphony is Offline
Registered User
Sixgun_Symphony is an unknown quantity at this point
 
Sixgun_Symphony's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,583
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Seattle
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 269,060
   
11-14-04

It just goes to show that fascism is coming from the "anti-war, anti-zionist" nutters. Lots of them in Europe are in mourning for Arafat.

I should point out that synagogues have been burned in France recently. *more*



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

SASS #62632

Last edited by Sixgun_Symphony : 11-14-04 at 00:47.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#4) Old
Lenina is Offline
Geordie In Wonderland
Lenina will become famous soon enough
 
Lenina's Avatar
 
Posts: 9,984
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: In a really naughty area.
Zodiac Sign: Aries
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 281,314
   
11-14-04

Quote:
Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?
Indeed *nods head*



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"If it smells of shit, stands to reason that it probably is" - Ginger. The wildhearts.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#5) Old
Nivvie is Offline
is an acrobatic hamster!
Nivvie is on a distinguished road
 
Nivvie's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,544
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: A wee hoosie, beseiged by rooks.
Zodiac Sign: Pisces
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 109,088
   
11-14-04

As somebody who has spent time in Israel (and lost a loved one in the process) I wish it was as simple as just getting rid of Bush.
The article is right. If Kerry had won complacency would have set in. He would not have been a cure all. The war would not have been over and the Kyoto agreement signed overnight.

America cannot create peace in the middle east all the while it is shovelling cash in one direction, and sneering at the other.
And how many Americans are aware of the evictions and shootings, see the dead Palestinian children on their television screens?
Big Brother owns the American media, the average person on the street has no idea of how the rest of the world, many of which are devoid of the everyday distractions of ambitions, exams, cell phone ring tones and if Britney's wedding was real or not, are faring.

When you have nothing, one thing becomes everything.

They don't know about the white western middle class students who take up positions as human shields in Palestine, the Jews in Israel who strongly disagree with actions of their own government.
It's a horrible situation no American president is going to be able to wave a wand over.
Israel has ignored countless UN resolutions to pull back, it's time these resolutions were enforced, and two states formed.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Galleries
Toggle Newest Thumbs
My new car
RPG
Got Nades?
For Tiggs
A Storm Approaches
A Storm Approaches
A Storm Approaches
The Day I Moved In
blah
Just Me Again

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
vBulletin Skin developed by: vBStyles.com

© 2006 - 2008 Dark Forum | About Dark Forum | Legal | A member of the Crowdgather Forum Community


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53