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Since this is an election year. It's very important that we elect somebody who has a track record of getting things done. I am familiar with President Bush's many accomplishments, so I would like some help from you. I know Kerry served in Vietnam for 4 months 3 decades ago, so we don't need to go over that.
Please list all of the accomplishments that John Kerry has done, since Vietnam, such as bills passed, etc.
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Well, his webpage lists these. http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/ab...lishments.html
2002
1. Massachusetts Telecommunications Council "Policy Maker of the Year"
2. NAM Vets of Cape Cod and Islands Award For Significant and Exemplary Support Rendered To Veterans of This Country and of the Cape and Islands
3. John W. McCormick Award for Public Service
2001
1. June 21, 2002
Parents for Residential Reform, Mass Families Organizing for Change and the Federation for Children with Special Needs presented The Powerful Friend Recognition Award to Senator Kerry "for his outstanding leadership and national voice on behalf of children with disabilities and their families".
2. Visiting Nurse Association of America's "Legislator of the Year"
3. Gerry Studds Stewardship Award from the Boston Harbor Island Alliance for his work to preserve the Boston Harbor Islands
4. Institute of International Education's "Steven P. Duggan Award for International Understanding" for lifetime achievement in public service and leadership in the U.S. Senate
2000
1. Massachusetts Association of Home Health Care's "Legislator of the Year"
2. American Jewish Committee's "Congressional Leadership Award" for efforts on religious freedom in the workplace
1999
1. Friends of the Public Garden's "Henry Lee Award" for efforts to preserve Boston's green spaces
1998
1. "Zero to Three" Association's "Achievement Award" for work on early childhood development issues
2. Association for Enterprise's "Leadership Award" for leadership on the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship
3. Assumption College's "Presidential Medal"
1997
1. National Health Association's "Legislator of the Year Award" for support of expanded child care and attention for at-risk children. Sponsored 1997 Early Childhood Development Act
1996
1. Armenian Assembly of America's Award for service and commitment to the Armenian people. John Kerry was co-sponsor of Humanitarian Aid Corridor Act, providing aid to Armenia and other nations
2. Time Magazine's "Honest Man in Politics Award" for being only Senator up for reelection in 1996 to vote against Defense of Marriage Act
1995
1. Environmental Business Council Paul Keogh Award June 9, 1995 for distinguished commitment to environmental industries
1993
1. Tri-Community Chamber of Commerce George B. Wells Award December 7, 1993 for leadership in tourism
1990
1. Minority Business Enterprise Legal Defense Fund "Minority Business Development Trendsetter of the Year" June 17, 1990
2. SMU Labor Education Center Arnold M. Dubin Award November 15, 1990 for outstanding contributions to the causes of labor and social justice
1998
1. League of Conservation Voters Award honored for having one of the best For environmental voting record over previous 5 years
1988
1. Commencement speaker for Umass/Boston 20th Commencement UMass Boston Honorary Degree
2. Brockton Little League's "Appreciation Award" March 7, 1988 for work with special needs division
1986
1. B'nai Brith Council of Greater Boston's "Man of the Year"
1985
1. National Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy Award honored JK at a reception at the Boston Center for Adult Education http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/is...islation.html# - bills sponsored and co-sponsored http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/about/committee.html - Committee Assignments Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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I'm sorry, but those are awards. I asked for "Accomplishments".
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Well lets see...is it a accomplishment to win a gold medal or is it just an award?
Ah, what you really mean to ask is "Can people talk about John Kerry in a positive way so I can shoot them down just because he`s a Democrat?". Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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An award is something you're given for doing something.
An accomplishment is when you do something. (\ /)
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Originally Posted by RedMeat Well lets see...is it a accomplishment to win a gold medal or is it just an award?
Ah, what you really mean to ask is "Can people talk about John Kerry in a positive way so I can shoot them down just because he`s a Democrat?". | I'm asking what legislation has he passed, etc., not what garden club gave him a plaque.
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Originally Posted by John Preston An award is something you're given for doing something.
An accomplishment is when you do something. | The difference is staggering, isnt it? Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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Originally Posted by John Preston An award is something you're given for doing something.
An accomplishment is when you do something. | No, an award is something that is given to you. An accomplishment is something that you actually do.
This thread is about accomplishments, not awards.
What has Kerry actually done?
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Originally Posted by RedMeat The difference is staggering, isnt it? | I'm the one asking the question, so I want to know what he has actually done.
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You could always look it up. The last paragraph is interesting. http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=126-07302004
John Kerry has a distinguished legislative record. He and John McCain negotiated an agreement with Vietnam to provide a full accounting for POW-MIAs. He wrote the first bill reducing acid rain. He has repeatedly led the charge in protecting the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge from drilling. He has passed legislation that shut down money laundering activities of terrorists and drug traffickers.
President Clinton Praised Kerry for Putting 100,000 COPS on the Street -- "When we tried to get past six years of talking tough on crime but nothing happening, rhetoric and rhetoric and rhetoric and no action, to put 100,000 police on the street, to ban deadly assault weapons to pass the Brady bill, the other side, (the Republicans) led the fight against it. But John Kerry helped us pass the toughest, smartest, best crime bill this country has seen in many a day, and the crime rate has gone down for four years in a row. John Kerry was on the right side of history." (Public Papers of the President: Fall River, MA; 8/28/96)
Democratic Leader Tom Daschle Says Kerry Knows How to Get the Legislative Job Done in the Senate -- Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle had kind words for John Kerry's work on Campaign Finance Reform when he asked Kerry to chair the Democratic Steering Committee: "From our teen-smoking bill to HMO reform and Campaign Finance Reform, John Kerry has demonstrated that he clearly knows how to get the job done. He is a valued and trusted member of our leadership team, and I am pleased he has accepted another term as Chairman of the Steering and Coordination Committee." (Daschle Press Release, 11/19/98)
Even Dr. Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader Says Kerry's Global AIDS Legislation is a "Huge Step Forward": "'The Kerry-Frist bill is a huge step forward," said (current Majority Leader Bill) Frist. "It further validates U.S. leadership in the global effort to end devastation many countries face in the fight against HIV/AIDS'." (Office of Senator Frist, press release 7/12/02)
58 bills and resolutions John Kerry has sponsored over the years have passed the U.S. Senate. Countless others have been improved because of his work, including the Clean Air Act, the Children's Health Insurance Program and the COPS program.
John Kerry has taken on the special interests and won. He fought against Newt Gingrich's anti-labor and anti-environmental regulatory reform. He has fought to raise the minimum wage. He has worked to shut down wasteful corporate subsidies. And John Kerry played an important role in the effort to reach a settlement with the tobacco companies that ended marketing to children and teenagers.
The number of bills that bear your name is a poor measure of legislative accomplishment. For example, Ted Kennedy, who most would acknowledge as the most accomplished Democratic Senator in a generation, has had just 9 bills signed into law in 10 years. Of the more than 400 bills Kennedy sponsored in 108th, 105th and 104th Congresses none were signed into law. And Bill Frist, the Republican Majority Leader, has sponsored 88 bills in the 108th Congress and zero have become law. In the 107th Congress, Frist sponsored 52 bills and 1 became law. It was a bill to authorize and urge the President to promote democracy in Zimbabwe. Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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Reading through the puff, I see lots of phrases like "led the charge" and "taken on", but I don't see a detailed list of things that actually got done.
Here is what Howard Dean had to say: Quote: | Dean: Senator Kerry is the front-runner, and I mean him no insult, but in 19 years in the Senate, Senator Kerry sponsored nine -- 11 bills that had anything to do with health care, and not one of them passed. | The Associated Press did an investigation on Kerry's career in the Senate. Here is what they found: Quote: | AP: More Investigator than Legislator Kerry's campaign website contains a long list of bills Kerry has either sponsored or co-sponored over the years. But in July 2003 The Associated Press reviewed Kerry's legislative record and concluded that he "is known for using his investigative powers to shine a light on problems and corruption, but not as someone steeped in the process of making bills into law." The AP story said: Kerry has been the lead sponsor of eight bills that have become law. Two are related to his work on the Senate panel on oceans and fisheries - a 1994 law to protect marine mammals from being taken during commercial fishing and a 1991 measure for the National Sea Grant College Program Act, which finances marine research.
In 1999, President Clinton signed his bill providing grants to support small businesses owned by women.
The rest of the laws he saw passed were ceremonial - renaming a federal building, designating Vietnam Veterans Memorial 10th Anniversary Day, National POW/MIA Recognition Day and World Population Awareness Week in two separate years. | | |
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So that's .4% things accomplished per year, even if you give him the fish bills that he passed.
Can anybody think of anything important that he has passed in 20 years? | |
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Liberal Magazine Slate also quoted a study by Time Magazine. http://slate.msn.com/id/2096408/
The hints in Kerry's senatorial résumé aren't encouraging. Legislating is an almost pathologically collaborative effort, and Kerry has been a conspicuous non-performer in the legislation department. Time magazine found exactly "three substantive bills passed with Kerry's name on them." Two of these "had to do with marine research and protecting fisheries." (The other was "designed to provide grants for women starting small businesses.") Kerry's record as a senator for two decades would be embarrassing were it not for his investigations into drug commerce and his initial digging into illegal aid for the Nicaraguan Contras. | |
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Great analysis of what a weak candidate John Kerry really is. Quote:
THE BAGEL CANDIDACY
By DICK MORRIS July 30, 2004 --
I LOVED Bill Clinton's speech. I was inspired by John Edwards. Bar ack Obama thrilled me. Max Cleland made me grow as a person as I heard him . . .
And then there was John Kerry.
All around him was eloquence but, in the center of the bagel, there was a speech that was a letdown.
And did he just tell 140,000 men and women fighting in Iraq that they are there because of a mistake?
By insisting that we are in Iraq because we "want to be," rather than because we "have to be," he is telling them that they are risking their lives for an optional, elective adventure. The fact is, that the reason we have not been attacked in the United States is that the terrorists are fleeing from cave to cave in Afghanistan and from building to building in Iraq — pursued by our heroic young men and women.
I honor his service in Vietnam. I think a man who knows what it is like to fight in a war is a good person to have as commander-in-chief. John Kerry is a good man. But what else is there?
Last time I checked, Sen. John Kerry was 60 years old. But to listen to his speech last night at the Democratic National Convention, you would think he was still in his 20s. http://ads.nypost.com/RealMedia/ads/...ault/empty.gif
He opened up his talk with a lengthy and evocative description of his childhood and what it was like growing up in divided Berlin. He told us of the "goose bumps" he remembers getting when the band struck up "Stars and Stripes Forever."
Then, after this long rendition of his childhood, he tells us at length what it was like to serve in Vietnam for the four months that he was there. So far, so good.
But then he spent only about one minute talking about what he has done since.
Beyond a brief allusion to his efforts for crime victims and to prosecute crimes against women as an assistant district attorney, his support for Clinton's plan for extra cops and a balanced budget and a reference to his work with John McCain on the POW and MIA issue in Vietnam, that's it.
What did this man do as an adult? What happened during his service as Michael Dukakis' lieutenant-governor in Massachusetts and in his 20 years in the United States Senate?
What bills did he introduce? What initiatives did he sponsor? Which investigations did he lead? What amendments bear his name? What great debates did he participate in?
What did he do for his constituents in Massachusetts? What businesses did he persuade to come to the Bay State? Which elderly did he help get their Social Security benefits? What injustices did he correct?
Kerry's biography ends at 24.
America does not want to elect a lieutenant to the presidency. The voters want a commander-in-chief, but there is precious little in the autobiography of John Kerry, as we heard it last night, to commend him to us.
The Democratic National Convention closes as a nutritious, tasty, appetizing bagel — with a hole in the middle.
John Kerry? Oh yeah, he's the guy who fought in Vietnam and then he ran for president. That's not enough. Where did his 20 years in the Senate go?
Oddly, his absence of biography confirms the impression I formed of him during my White House years: He's a back-bencher. I never can recall a single time that his name came up in any discussion of White House strategy on anything. He was the man who wasn't there. We were always figuring out how to deal with Ted Kennedy or Pat Moynihan or Tom Daschle or Phil Gramm, or Al D'Amato or Bob Dole or Jesse Helms or Orin Hatch or Joe Biden. But nobody every asked about John Kerry. He wasn't much there then, and he's not much there now. Only now he wants us to trust him to be president. | | |
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What an interesting amount of stuff he has done, and a lot of it has been overtly helpful.
I do believe that Kerry has acquired a multitude of accomplishments AND awards.
Can we say the same of Bush? (\ /)
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Originally Posted by John Preston What an interesting amount of stuff he has done, and a lot of it has been overtly helpful.
I do believe that Kerry has acquired a multitude of accomplishments AND awards.
Can we say the same of Bush? | Yes.
Bush has passed more legislation in 3 years than Kerry did in 20, and has far more achievements.
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Funny. If "accomplishments" mean "something someone did that got passed into law" then...very funny. Consider: Bush has been president for almost 4 years now, with a Republican controlled congress (except for that one guy who went independent in the Senate) and is the one who must sign off on all the bills. Kerry, who is not yet, nor has ever been president, can support something but has a much lesser chance of things getting done about it because he isn't the president and his party hasn't controlled Congress for quite some time now.
Did you ever think about how many bills go through the house and senate that are voted down? That's an overwhelming amount of bills. I'd like to see the success rates of every senator, past and present, on getting their bills voted into law, and then maybe you can start making a case. Until that point (have fun compiling the list) you're just blowing hot air. Hey, bread is a good time for me...a-woodle-oo-doo, singing bread is a good time for EVERYbody...
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Bush's primary accomplishment before his 'governorship'? Running businesses into the ground.
Now he's been able to do the same with the US Economy. Bismarck once said "Fools say they like to learn from their experiences, but I prefer to learn from the experience of others."
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