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""People not being able to take care of themselves should send out a big red flag," said Collins."

healthcare?

i've mentioned this for several years now, and because of such impossible situations, as affording healthcare, i now have a blemish on my credit, that was good...until my daughter fell off a picnic table.

"The percentage of individuals earning less than $20,000 a year without insurance rose to 53 percent, up from 49 percent in 2001. Overall, the percentage of people without insurance rose to 28 percent in 2005 from 24 percent in 2001."

why doesn't the government care about it's poor americans, yet offer trillions of dollars to people overseas to see all their health needs are met...that's the biggest problem i have with today's administration...they spend too much care on foreign countries, and not enough, on their own.

is anything being done, can bush really continue to ignore this a problem in his america, or does he think, shuffling those who represent him, will really make an impact on his lack of, americanism?

last i heard, mrs. clinton has some sort of plan, at this point..i'd vote for her on that policy alone...and it's nice to know at least some people care about the americans who make less than politicians make in an hour.

"The study also found that 59 percent of uninsured with chronic conditions such as asthma or diabetes either skipped a dose of their medicine or went without it because it was too expensive."

the hell with a hero, just send us a roosevelt.



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04-26-06

The answer is not socialism.

The answer is not working a job for less than 20,000 a year.
  
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The answer is not socialism.

The answer is not working a job for less than 20,000 a year.
some people, really don't have a choice.



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You always have a choice thats the beauty of living in the United States. I think you mean some people are too lazy to work harder and change some things for the better.
  
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You always have a choice thats the beauty of living in the United States. I think you mean some people are too lazy to work harder and change some things for the better.
that may be, but it doesn't apply to all...

locally for example, unless one is working a form of construction(that's seasonal and unpredictable), there's not much more available...the call center, pays nine dollars an hour, my husband is working there...as an assistant manager i get eight fifty...but with the cost of living, we meet our bills and are able to provide food for our family...but afford the luxury of medical?

...we work alternating shifts to side step childcare costs...why does medical care, for non disabled children have to be so unaffordable?

...honestly, my health is really insignificant when i have to pay fifteen dollars for each individual immunization for kindergarden and my credit goes bad because of a six thousand dollar medical bill...for my youngest daughter, being a kid.

quite a few, imports come in, amazed that they get paid only half of what they were in another, part of the nation for the same job...most end up returning from whence they came, because the pay rates around here suck...even our own town has put a cap on what out of state companies coming in can pay employees...to keep it fair to the smaller businesseses that can't pay...over seven dollars an hour.

we're punished medically for being a low income married couple with 2 children, working what we can to support them, in america?

lazy?!?!

i could divorce my husband and live off the system, working half as much as i have to now...getting additional cash, medical, foodstamps, childcare and housing assistance?

what's wrong with that picture?



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Then one should move to a place with more work choices. Not doing that is a choice too.
  
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Then one should move to a place with more work choices. Not doing that is a choice too.
been there, done that...healthcare is still, difficult to afford, especially when any savings have been spent in moving...so the family ends up broke, jobless, homeless and having to rely on the generosity of family members to stay off the streets...until a job is found, several thousands dollars for rent and deposit is saved up...and then furnishings...and now, with high gas prices?

surely you jest?

my point is...

why can't the government do more for generational americans, rather than expecting them to become nothing more than legalized migrant workers?

you are right, i live the life i choose to, because i want to live, here...but why must government angencies encourage entire families to consistantly move, (following the jobs) to maintain an above poverty level of living...or, divorcing, living as single parents, succumbing to the ease of living on welfare?

why can't the government, afford...some sort of affordable health care system, allowing traditional families to raise their families, where their families were raised..safe and sound in hometowns, rather than making them choose between moving to crime ridden cities and overwhelmed education systems so they can afford healthcare or living off the system?

the only person i ever heard offer something, to help the average american citizen and the plight of our healthcare system, was hillary clinton, as a wife and mother; what happened to politicians that care about the health and well-being of the american family?



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Sorry socialism hurts people who arent moochers. If you want to mooch move to France.
  
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04-27-06

this is a major problem in our country. there is absoultly no incentive for you to work outside of your own personnel pride. if you make like 8 bucks an hour you cant get goverment assited healthcare but if you dont work you get healthcare food stamps a place to live ect ect. Its sad really people will say get a job but your actually poorer if you do.

Billy you need to have money to move. Some people just cant move up to a new station in life how much would the best dishwasher in the world actually get paid.

At the rate healthcare is going up even people with "good jobs" might lose healthcare. currently it costs apprx $12,000.00 a year for family coverage in My area.

Just as a side note socialism doesnt always hurt non moochers I assume you have bought a loaf of bread or some other food lately, perhaps you turned on your computer. It might not be "true" socialism but there some similiarties.
Iam not saying Iam for welfare or goverment sponsered healthcare but I also know that alot of children dont have a choice in where mom or dad moves or how "good" of a job mom or dad has


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heres an idea. Make the money, then move. Maybe if they laid off the expensive internet, and video games and some other entertainment stuff they could afford it. But since when have Americans ever given a shit these days about hard work and priorities? If I lose my job and have no money and lose my car and apartment I blame ME. For doing a shitty job and not watching out for myself. I wouldnt whine and then expect the government (IE all of you) to fix my problems for me. THAT is the difference between Achievers and Moochers. Again if you want to mooch go to France. I hear thier economy is booming now that they cant fire people anymore from jobs.
  
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Sorry socialism hurts people who arent moochers. If you want to mooch move to France.
i'd move to ireland if i could afford it, but they have financial requirements before...changing citizenship.


that's the point, i have no desire to be "a mooch", it'd be easy, but i enjoy working...some people may choose to live like that...but i can proudly say we earn our living, but why does that have to be impossible with health care?

you still haven't said why it's okay for our government to have complete disregard for the health system in america, today...it goes beyond my personal problems with the sysem...there are some serious issues, for all ages...

there are a variety of options, they could pursue...in making health care affordable...a socialist government may not work for america, and all governments have their, issues; but what's wrong; that a government can not consider what all social classes, that make it a nation need?

...not just those with large, bank accounts.


why is it impossible to have affordable healthcare in a capitalist driven government?



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i'd move to ireland if i could afford it, but they have financial requirements before...changing citizenship.


that's the point, i have no desire to be "a mooch", it'd be easy, but i enjoy working...some people may choose to live like that...but i can proudly say we earn our living, but why does that have to be impossible with health care?

you still haven't said why it's okay for our government to have complete disregard for the health system in america, today...it goes beyond my personal problems with the sysem...there are some serious issues, for all ages...

there are a variety of options, they could pursue...in making health care affordable...a socialist government may not work for america, and all governments have their, issues; but what's wrong; that a government can not consider what all social classes, that make it a nation need?

...not just those with large, bank accounts.


why is it impossible to have affordable healthcare in a capitalist driven government?
It isnt impossible you just havent worked hard enough to get it. If by affordable you mean dirt cheap/socialist then well it wouldnt be a capitolist country anymore if we started socializing everything.

Why should I have to pay for YOUR kids health care? I dont get to take them fishing and they dont send me cards, why should I have to pay anything? I am not sick... why should I pay 365 days of the year for sick people and never be sick myself?
  
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It isnt impossible you just havent worked hard enough to get it. If by affordable you mean dirt cheap/socialist then well it wouldnt be a capitolist country anymore if we started socializing everything.

Why should I have to pay for YOUR kids health care? I dont get to take them fishing and they dont send me cards, why should I have to pay anything? I am not sick... why should I pay 365 days of the year for sick people and never be sick myself?
so, why not give people an option to use their social security?

...if i was to retire at sixty five, i would get, eight hundred dollars a month; but that money, isn't going to be around for me to use, it's taking care of those who have, and financial needs, now...that's how it's always been, and will always be...i have no problems with that, however!

it's my money, technically, i work hard for it and i'd rather have my money going to keep my children healthy...eight hundred dollars a month when i'm almost dead, but still able to work...or four hundred dollars a month now to take care of my chidren(that's how much a family insurance plan costs).

my pay check is consistantly taxed, averaging about one hundred dollars..., my husband is taxed almost one hundred fifty...that would be two hundred fifty dollars a month, but still not enough for a family health plan.



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Do you have health insurance if you do you are already paying for everyone elses healthcare thats how it works. Sick people have hospital bill send claim to insurance company, insurance company raises primum you pay. To me its not about paying for it it would actually be cheaper if the goverment ran it. I think it would suck so I would rather keep it private.

capitilism and goverment dont go togther Jordyn

Billy essentially we are a socialist nation already if the goverment didnt in effect set the prices for necassities (food and power) we wouldnt have the happy captilism of today. Big Brother may not set salaries and distrubute wealth but it controls the foundation.


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Move out of America, in lots of countries, if you need healthcare (operations, medication etc), taxes pay for it. Maybe it's because we neglect our military expenses, but healthcare helps more people than wars do right?

My sister (born here) had hip problems from birth. If we had to pay, it would have cost well over $100,000 and no way would insurance cover that. New Zealand taxes paid for it all thank goodness. Maybe my parents moved across the world because they had an inkling that their last child would need to be a New Zealand born child???


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i'd move to ireland if i could afford it, but they have financial requirements before...changing citizenship.
Please don't.


  
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Do you have health insurance if you do you are already paying for everyone elses healthcare thats how it works. Sick people have hospital bill send claim to insurance company, insurance company raises primum you pay. To me its not about paying for it it would actually be cheaper if the goverment ran it. I think it would suck so I would rather keep it private.

capitilism and goverment dont go togther Jordyn

Billy essentially we are a socialist nation already if the goverment didnt in effect set the prices for necassities (food and power) we wouldnt have the happy captilism of today. Big Brother may not set salaries and distrubute wealth but it controls the foundation.

This post is pretty much inaccurate on every single point.

The beauty of health insurance is that (unless you live in Massachussetts), its a VOLUNTARY program. Therefore, its completely different from state sponsored health care programs.


  
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This post is pretty much inaccurate on every single point.
The beauty of health insurance is that (unless you live in Massachussetts), its a VOLUNTARY program. Therefore, its completely different from state sponsored health care programs.
hence the question do you have health insurance if you answered no then the rest doesnt apply.

what else is inaccurate?


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