[quote=Jordyn]if i had a choice, they would never have outsourced our jobs to india, and the new company would have stayed with the local bluecross/blueshield of montana versus some out of state insurance plan that's has atrocious rates.

as for your, question about the state of healtchare...pick one...

the outrageous cost of doctors, the frivilous lawsuits that inspire doctors to raise rates, the rising cost of company plan health insurance requiring employees to cover more...closing hospitals...due to those who are incapable of paying, resulting in higher costs...how about nurses? overworked and underpaid...obscure refrences to other options like hsa's...



unfortunatly thats not a choice you had to make it does suck ill give you that but dwelling on it wont help

frivilous lawsuits I agree with the goverement should step in to put a stop to that

as far as the rest goes its a private/public industry if thats the cost thats the cost its the type of system we have that applies to everything not just healthcare unless of course it is goverment subsizied taddaaaa so instead of trying to get free healthcare should we try to get a stable lower price which of course benfits everyone?

Some other things to add in with the system flaws: Fat people they have more health problems so they are driving up the price

i can go to a grocery store and price green olives so that I get the best value if I so choose. Doctors inflate thier prices because most people have trouble shopping for emergency care. THAT unbalances our medical system/health care system and sucks muchos dineros from all of our wallets. IT IS the insurance companies and the doctors who are growing fat and rich off of bled tax dollars.

Go to your local hospital and ask them how much a certain procedure is. You will find that ALL hospitals will have almost identical prices. This insures that profits are huge on all sides.

Sounds familiar.... gas prices anyone?

Mortgage rates anyone?

Utility costs anyone?

Mechanics?

Etc etc etc

so then emergancy care is unbalanced, not the medical field. If it is an emergency I would like to go to the nearest local thats just me though.

Ask youself a question about Doctors do you want the one that can command the higest price or the one that gets a standard rate

Hmmm alot of hospitals are closing and most are not for profit so the hospital isnt interested in profits and I dont see how tax dollars are involved.

fuel efficient cars or non motorized transportation

first time home buyer loans, several different options when acquiring homes, finding homes that are with in your loan range

several billing options and other programs that assist people in keeping their utilitiy bills affordable, not associated with welfare what so ever, nor their preposterous income requirements.

friends and family who know how to work on vehicles

what options are there for a broken arm or car accident?

"so then emergancy care is unbalanced, not the medical field. If it is an emergency I would like to go to the nearest local thats just me though."

unless you live in a town that no one wants to handle hurt children...the small town hospital sends you to another facility.

sebring florida is such a place...we had to take our daughter to st. petersburg to get her arm treated...and then the first trip they misdiagnosed it as a sprain...so two day later they called us back to reset her arm...

just yesterday i was reading an article in ladies home journal, about the state of elder care homes through out the states and the rise in serious issues there...undertrained staff, legal loopholes preventing people who complain about conditions from seeing their family members...poorly trained investigators...when a complaint is made.

the entire medical field is in trouble...and that you are unable to see this, concerns me.

"This increasing burden of health spending on the U.S. economy is unsustainable. Higher spending on public programs like Medicare and Medicaid strains state and Federal budgets. Higher insurance premiums pose a challenge for employers and burden workers with higher health costs and lower wage increases.

Only part of this increase in spending can be explained by changing demographics."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateofthe....html#section2

even bush realizes there's a problem...through the entire system.

When did I say there were no problems. Your orginal comment was that it was "unbalanced" in the context of the thread and conversation I think you ment financially unbalanced. Know your talking about problems of regulation, adminstration, availibilty ect ect. I agree with those problems 100%

Gas prices can vary widely.

Utility costs are regulated.

Mechanics can be shopped. Try it you will see what I mean.

Mortgage rates can also be shopped. I have a very low interest rate exactly because I shopped

Doctors cannot be shopped ESPECIALLY in emergencies

I would want a doctor who cares regardless of price

Of course I am insured so that makes no matter to me

Go read this article

http://www.boston.com/yourlife/healt...awsuit_awards/

Docs can be shopped, you have heard of a second opinion no?

If I were to have a heart attack I really dont feel like shopping around for the best doc. If on the other hand I had heart disease and wanted to go see the best heart specialist I could shop around.

what is the point you are trying to make with this article.

care factor doesnt matter to me if one guy can charge twice as much there is a reason in this market it usally mean he is better if iam sick i want the best, if iam getting cut i want the best. I for sure want the best if I am payingfor insurance because I wont the most for my insurance dollar. You apparntly wouldnt care if a first year resident was giving you brain surgery as long as he cares and appartly you are happy to have your insurance company make a little extra off yah because as long as the doc cares you dont seem concerned with price.

and you have to pay more for that too...

"Informed and Empowered Consumers

Americans generally have only limited information on the expected cost and quality of health care and very little meaningful information at the provider or treatment level. Insurance companies and physicians generally do not provide per-service prices or make this information available to patients. Quality information for institutional providers, particularly hospitals, is available only in a handful of states."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateofthe...html#section12

not all people have any, lingering illnesses, my concerns are for the unexpected problems...that happen, so frequently in children...we're a healthy family, but my children are active...if i knew it'd be so expensive to have my daughters arm reset...going back to the hospital for the care they said was necessary, because they screwed up the first time...

i would not have made that choice, and called around to see exactly what was available to have a three year olds arm set...but thousands of dollars to sit for eight hours while various doctors pulled, tugged and tried to pop her arm in place, having her hide under chairs whenever she saw anyone walk by looking like a doctor..before a three hour surgery to cut open her arm and set the bone that way...i wish i would have had the option to, shop around, rather than end up with a traumatized child and several weeks of trips to see other specialists in st.petersburg before her cast was removed...they didn't tell me how much it would cost, either...if i asked, it was always..."well, that depends on what the doctor assesses needs to be done."

Not pricewise..... for a heart surgery you are looking at a lean median price of 75,000 dollars. In Canada alone they pay almost 85% less This is due to overinflated costs which are being passed down to the patient from thier doctors.

And what is your point besides to belittle anyone with a counter point to yours???

And that is... as they say.... the point.....

Joe Schmoe down the street can charge 100 dollars for an eighth of the good shit while jon doe sells his for 50..... does not mean that joe has better shit... it just means that there are idiots who will pay for it

After reading your post I think you feel victim to the Doctor Stigma. Most people think of doctors as demi gods that cant make mistakes and always have your best intrests at heart. Seems that you and your daughter had to learn the hard way that this isnt the case. This is a lssson that unfortunatly many Americans have to learn the hard way. If you think about it you learn this lesson on alot of other things as well (mechanichs instantly come to mind). This is America and for the most part we are responsible for ourselves, we have the power to educate ourselves, and ask questions, and dont and i mean dont ever ever ever let some Doctor push you into somthing that your gut is telling you to question.

That is until they discover Doe, free markets can kinda be a bitch

Iam not trying to be little anyone. If you arent willing to "rollover" you can shop doctors. I agree in an emergency you can get pretty screwed but like I said if your having a heart attack your not really trhinking about nor do you have time to shop around Are prices fixed, yes to some degree its based on the pull between three parties us, doctors and the insurance companies. Insurance is pretty much the super power at this point which is a problem for sure