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Interplanetary Environmentalism - 11-29-04

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Scientists propose conservation parks on Mars
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International agreement could preserve important sites.

Next time you go for a stroll on Mars, be sure you don't leave any litter behind. A plan to keep parts of the red planet in their pristine state could see seven areas turned into 'planetary parks', regulated just like national parks here on Earth.

The scheme has been proposed by Charles Cockell, a microbiologist for the British Antarctic Survey in Cambridge, and Gerda Horneck, an astrobiologist from the German Aerospace Centre in Cologne, Germany.

"It is the right of every person to stand and stare across the beautiful barrenness and desolation of the Martian surface without having to endure the eyesore of pieces of crashed spacecraft scattered across the landscape," they write in the latest edition of Space Policy.

Although scientists have found no life on Mars, Cockell and Horneck point out that many national parks on Earth are protected partly for their geological interest and natural beauty, such as the Grand Canyon and Antarctica. "And if Mars has simple microbial life, there are even greater reasons for establishing planetary parks - to protect that life from human destruction," they write.

"We've already crashed unmanned spacecraft there - Mars Polar Lander and possibly Beagle 2 - so there's already an environmental issue," Cockell told news@nature.com. He says the crashes are as irresponsible as dropping robots over the Antarctic.

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This is an interesting article. I learned new things.

The people proposing the parks have lost their minds, and are getting way ahead of themselves. I understand many people are concerned about environmental issues, but I think they should concentrate on earth first. To condemn exploratory spacecraft on environmental grounds is just absurd.

This is the first I ever heard of the UN Office on Outer Space Affairs, and it's ridiculous that a UN office oversees decontaminating spacecraft for Mars missions. The nations that are able to send spacecraft there are perfectly capable of handling that themselves without a UN bureaucrat signing off on it.
  
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....but I think they should concentrate on earth first.
What's to concentrate on on earth?

I think this is a great move. It shows a lot of foresight and responsibility.
  
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It helps ensure that we won't fuck up something that isn't ours the way that we fucked up what IS ours.


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I heard one person saying that Bush wanted to open National parks to logging.
If that turns out true I'm going to cry...because I like the pristine color of green during the middle of Summer when I'm in rural areas, and when I head to national parks I enjoy seeing completely untouched wilderness with only a splotch here and there of some manner of civilization.


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It helps ensure that we won't fuck up something that isn't ours the way that we fucked up what IS ours.
We haven't fucked up what is ours.
  
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I heard one person saying that Bush wanted to open National parks to logging.
If that turns out true I'm going to cry...because I like the pristine color of green during the middle of Summer when I'm in rural areas, and when I head to national parks I enjoy seeing completely untouched wilderness with only a splotch here and there of some manner of civilization.
I don't know what you heard, but if it's about the parks, and not just federally owned forest land, then they probably mean letting the logging companies go in to take dead trees and underbrush. That will help prevent the forest from burning down.
  
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What's to concentrate on on earth?
You're joking, right? There are plenty of environmental problems to address here on Earth. Right in my own backyard I've got a river of which my local health department advises eating no more than one fish per month from, due to pollutants so as not to risk serious health problems.


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I don't know what you heard, but if it's about the parks, and not just federally owned forest land, then they probably mean letting the logging companies go in to take dead trees and underbrush. That will help prevent the forest from burning down.
If it's that then I have no qualms.
I just heard a "blanket statement" that Bush wanted to open national blah blah's to logging.


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If it's that then I have no qualms.
I just heard a "blanket statement" that Bush wanted to open national blah blah's to logging.
That's how the media spins it in the headlines.
  
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I haven't even SEEN it in the headlines though.
So it's kind of.
Yeah.


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You're joking, right? There are plenty of environmental problems to address here on Earth. Right in my own backyard I've got a river of which my local health department advises eating no more than one fish per month from, due to pollutants so as not to risk serious health problems.
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Whoops. Now I've gone and spoiled the joke. I'll just nip off and shoot myself now.


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Forest fires are part of the natural cycle. The plants have evolved to deal with them. Ash is great for plant growth. Let them be, I say.


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